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Cardiff Bay Meet 3rd February
- Thread starter Matt W
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SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
AwhNever seen a Trophy before, sneak peek on the "bit of work"
I'll be along to other meets, mate - and you're more than welcome to have a look at the Trophy. Might even take you for a spin if you ask nicely! LOL! You can read my project thread here: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?461519-The-life-of-SharkyUK-s-Trophy
In a nutshell I'm getting the engine completely rebuilt with forged internals, larger bored cylinders, high compression, awesome 288 Shrick cams - which will suit the ITB's nicely.
I'll be along to other meets, mate - and you're more than welcome to have a look at the Trophy. Might even take you for a spin if you ask nicely! LOL! You can read my project thread here: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?461519-The-life-of-SharkyUK-s-Trophy
In a nutshell I'm getting the engine completely rebuilt with forged internals, larger bored cylinders, high compression, awesome 288 Shrick cams - which will suit the ITB's nicely.
haha that sounds awesome! Already been through the thread couple of weeks ago,
That sounds amazing You fitting everything yourself or is there somewhere good in newport?
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Cheers, bud.
No, I'm not doing everything myself. I haven't got the skills or the facilities to attempt anything like this I'm afraid. I can just about change tyres, spark plugs and do a compression test! LOL! I'll be taking the car over to Fred at BTM Performance (near Birmingham) to get the engine work done and then taking it up to Paul at RS-Tuning (Leeds) to get it mapped. It's a hell of a journey to/from Birmingham and to/from Leeds but it's worth it in my opinion. There's very few 'specialists' I trust with my car these days!
Cheers, bud.
No, I'm not doing everything myself. I haven't got the skills or the facilities to attempt anything like this I'm afraid. I can just about change tyres, spark plugs and do a compression test! LOL! I'll be taking the car over to Fred at BTM Performance (near Birmingham) to get the engine work done and then taking it up to Paul at RS-Tuning (Leeds) to get it mapped. It's a hell of a journey to/from Birmingham and to/from Leeds but it's worth it in my opinion. There's very few 'specialists' I trust with my car these days!
haha Im the same, I wont fit anything to do with my car, If I do something wrong i will be driving it all the time and its my life and I dont want to risk it, would rather go to a garage and get it done haha, thats one hell of a trek, What gains/powers you expecting after you done all this? 220bhp ish?
Like how you said "specialists" theres one by me and they didnt even have the hub unlock on the standard alloys..... And they didnt know what the sqeeking when I start the car up when its cold, haha!!
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Exactly - not worth risking it unless you are absolutely sure (in my opinion). As for the gains... it's hard to say. A similar spec engine to the one I'm having recently made over 240bhp (a genuine 240bhp+, too!) so I'm quite excited by the potential gains I'll see. But, the difference is that that engine was for a pure race car and is only required to last 1000 miles at a time whereby mine is both a toy and a daily driver. I think 220bhp+ is definitely feasible with this spec though, and without having to raise the rev limiter too much. In fact, I don't plan on having it rev any higher than 7800rpm.
A squeak on cold start up? Obviously you're disturbing the mice in the glove box...
Whatever it is, I hope it's nothing serious. I'm sure it's just 'French car character!'Still squeaking mate, went to 3 garages, they just said "its cold, needs to warm up" Great help they were...
Exactly - not worth risking it unless you are absolutely sure (in my opinion). As for the gains... it's hard to say. A similar spec engine to the one I'm having recently made over 240bhp (a genuine 240bhp+, too!) so I'm quite excited by the potential gains I'll see. But, the difference is that that engine was for a pure race car and is only required to last 1000 miles at a time whereby mine is both a toy and a daily driver. I think 220bhp+ is definitely feasible with this spec though, and without having to raise the rev limiter too much. In fact, I don't plan on having it rev any higher than 7800rpm.
A squeak on cold start up? Obviously you're disturbing the mice in the glove box...
ah thats fair enough then, If its a toy and a daily then I wouldnt want it doing other things to make it a race car, otherwise going to work at 8 in the morning when its -1, I couldn't live without Air con and well door panels and sounds proofing haha,
Never looked in the glovebox! thanks for the tip
yeah probably lol
LY Megane R26 230
Re: Cardiff Bay Meet 2nd February
Cheers for the offer but as im going out on the pop the night before it maybe a day spent dying in bed lol!
Cheers for the offer but as im going out on the pop the night before it maybe a day spent dying in bed lol!
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
LOL!
Yeah, it soon all starts to add up!
182 cup / Audi s3 8L
I'll be along to other meets, mate - and you're more than welcome to have a look at the Trophy. Might even take you for a spin if you ask nicely! LOL! You can read my project thread here: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?461519-The-life-of-SharkyUK-s-Trophy
In a nutshell I'm getting the engine completely rebuilt with forged internals, larger bored cylinders, high compression, awesome 288 Shrick cams - which will suit the ITB's nicely.
sounds awesome, but personally do you think for the money you spend you get enough of a power gain? is it really noticeable? These are honest questions by the way im not having a dig. Just wondering at the moment what the best way is to get more power from my 182 cup. Im fully going down the track day route, car is fully stripped, two buckets, harnesses, coilovers etc etc.
Im still interested in flying over for this meet weather and numbers permitting, little bit of a mission from me.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Cheers for the reply, mate.
For the money I've spent I could have a 350bhp+ turbo'd Clio and still got a grand or two in change. However, that's not the reason I've decided to go down the route I have done. Due to the fact I've gone for ITB's, cams and a forged engine people sometimes get the misconception that I'm after big numbers and that isn't the case.
I'm after a powerful Clio that handles well but not so much power as to be unusable. As great as massive bhp Clio's are for fun and pub talk, they aren't suited to the driving I do. I don't do the Santa Pod drag races and much prefer a challenging road and a few trackdays here and there. I love free and high-revving NA engines and the highly strung nature that comes with the setup I am running. As daft as it sounds, I don't want the mega torque that forced induction can bring, offering big and lazy power. I much rather prefer having to work the car and the engine to get the most out of it - even if that means having to rev the nuts off it to keep it in the power band.It's horses for courses really and very much depends on how much you can or are willing to spend. If my car were a dedicated track car I would strip it as the best thing to do is lose the weight. But my car is also a daily driver so that wasn't an option. Yes, I could have bought another car that was faster out the box... but the Trophy is simply phenomenal when it comes to driving enjoyment and sheer fun factor. I'm never getting rid of it so had no issue spending more on it. As it turns out the expected result of the engine rebuild will be a car that produces similar output to the low boost Clio's so it's going to be fairly nippy yet retain all the NA character that I enjoy. Are the gains noticeable? Yes, they are. With just the ITB's alone the increase in torque across the rev range transformed the car. It was never going to chase down Lambo's but it was significantly better. Will the expected gains be noticeable? Very much so. An increase of 40-50bhp and 20-30lbft on these little hot-hatches is VERY noticeable!
There's no easy and cheap way to get significant power out of these engines unfortunately. Unless you are prepared to go down the forced induction route (or ITB and cams) then big gains aren't realistically possible. But... losing the weight will help a lot. And a good set of cams with a decent remap can also transform the way a car drives. That might be a route to consider with your 182 Cup at least initially. A well driven Clio with a good setup can easily embarrass a lot of so-called superior cars out there.
182 cup / Audi s3 8L
Cheers for the reply, mate.
For the money I've spent I could have a 350bhp+ turbo'd Clio and still got a grand or two in change. However, that's not the reason I've decided to go down the route I have done. Due to the fact I've gone for ITB's, cams and a forged engine people sometimes get the misconception that I'm after big numbers and that isn't the case.
It's horses for courses really and very much depends on how much you can or are willing to spend. If my car were a dedicated track car I would strip it as the best thing to do is lose the weight. But my car is also a daily driver so that wasn't an option. Yes, I could have bought another car that was faster out the box... but the Trophy is simply phenomenal when it comes to driving enjoyment and sheer fun factor. I'm never getting rid of it so had no issue spending more on it. As it turns out the expected result of the engine rebuild will be a car that produces similar output to the low boost Clio's so it's going to be fairly nippy yet retain all the NA character that I enjoy. Are the gains noticeable? Yes, they are. With just the ITB's alone the increase in torque across the rev range transformed the car. It was never going to chase down Lambo's but it was significantly better. Will the expected gains be noticeable? Very much so. An increase of 40-50bhp and 20-30lbft on these little hot-hatches is VERY noticeable!
There's no easy and cheap way to get significant power out of these engines unfortunately. Unless you are prepared to go down the forced induction route (or ITB and cams) then big gains aren't realistically possible. But... losing the weight will help a lot. And a good set of cams with a decent remap can also transform the way a car drives. That might be a route to consider with your 182 Cup at least initially. A well driven Clio with a good setup can easily embarrass a lot of so-called superior cars out there.
Nice cheers for the detailed reply that really helps. Im not looking for massive power, now all the weights gone the car already feels a bit quicker and more nimble. I want a bit more pull lower in the rev range then for the power to be strong right to the red line. On the track the cars normally in the power band anyway so not looking to spend big but would like an all round slight increase to complement the lighter weight to give it that extra edge.
Your car sounds spot on, i def wouldnt want to lose the driveability of my car as i enjoy still using it on the road and am not looking to create some highly strung machine that decides when it will be driven instead of me driving it whenener i want. The car is there to be enjoyed and driven hard on track, so it being reliable will always come before anything else. If you dnt mind me asking what would you say would be the rough costs of cams and a remap? I would also def head to rs up in leeds, heard good things and i used to live in leeds so know it fairly well.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
No problem mate.
I like the thinking and reasoning behind your intended modifications as far too many people don't always think it through.It's difficult to give a precise figure as it depends on the cams you buy and who you choose to get it mapped. However, I do think that your choice of tuner (RS Tuning) is the right choice! Paul knows his stuff and comes very highly recommended. I am using Paul despite being an 8 hour round trip from where I live.
In terms of cams, realistically you won't be able to simply drop wild cams in and expect them to work well on the standard ECU. Typically, the wilder cams WILL require an afternarket ECU. And once you go down that route you suddenly find yourself having to spend an extra grand (or more) on the ECU alone. So, it does limit the options somewhat. But, there are decent cams out there that have given decent gains with a good map. Sadly a lot will also depend on how healthy and strong your engine is; they vary so much from factory it's almost laughable. With a stock ECU I'd probably look at the CatCam 428's or 421's. The 428's are milder and will run and idle quite nicely (not too different from standard). The 421's will also run on stock ECU but the idle limit will have to be raised and you'd need to be prepared to live with a lumpy idle! Either way, these cost in the region of £550-£600. Ideally these would be done at the same time you get the cambelt changed to keep costs down. Factoring in labour and mapping I would suggest you'd be looking at around the £1100 mark. Not cheap (but nothing is with these engines in terms of squeezing extra performance out of them).
182 cup / Audi s3 8L
No problem mate.
Yea im a bit ocd like that, like to think and explore every option before making a decision.
It's difficult to give a precise figure as it depends on the cams you buy and who you choose to get it mapped. However, I do think that your choice of tuner (RS Tuning) is the right choice! Paul knows his stuff and comes very highly recommended. I am using Paul despite being an 8 hour round trip from where I live.
Yea i've heard really good things about him to, i live in gloucestershire so would be a bit of a trip for me to, but like you i think its well worth it to spend a day travelling to know your cars in the best hands.
In terms of cams, realistically you won't be able to simply drop wild cams in and expect them to work well on the standard ECU. Typically, the wilder cams WILL require an afternarket ECU. And once you go down that route you suddenly find yourself having to spend an extra grand (or more) on the ECU alone. So, it does limit the options somewhat. But, there are decent cams out there that have given decent gains with a good map. Sadly a lot will also depend on how healthy and strong your engine is; they vary so much from factory it's almost laughable. With a stock ECU I'd probably look at the CatCam 428's or 421's. The 428's are milder and will run and idle quite nicely (not too different from standard). The 421's will also run on stock ECU but the idle limit will have to be raised and you'd need to be prepared to live with a lumpy idle! Either way, these cost in the region of £550-£600. Ideally these would be done at the same time you get the cambelt changed to keep costs down. Factoring in labour and mapping I would suggest you'd be looking at around the £1100 mark. Not cheap (but nothing is with these engines in terms of squeezing extra performance out of them).
Again cheers for all the info much appreciated. Will do a bit of research, think its worth looking into it, deciding, then just doing the right mods once even if it is expensive, rather than trying to do things cheaper and ending up spending more as you soon realise to do it right its gunna cost a fair amount whatever route you go down.
You not going to make the cardiff meet? Im not 100% sure yet but would def be keen to see your motor and have a chat with you for sure, maybe even see how it feels if you were up for taking me out for a little spin!
Suzuki Jimny
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3. Hodge
4. Craig
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3. Hodge
4. Craig
5. Craig's mate Tom
6. Gez (provisionally)
7. Jawad
182 cup / Audi s3 8L
Reply with quote, then delete the bits you don't want. Could all chat be kept in South Wales General Chat please
Sorry mate didn't mean to clog up your thread.
182
Haha, it's only because someone decided to key the passenger side and boot.
Clio 1.2
I know of a garage that is doing deals in cardiff for cheap but high quality work if anyone would be interested, dent repair resprays and general maintenance
It's called Track Attack <Click that for more info
It's called Track Attack <Click that for more info
Suzuki Jimny
Could any general chat be kept in here please: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?545163-South-Wales-General-Chat
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