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You could look at this in a couple of different ways really. Firstly, as you have said, that they are uprated, so should last longer or, alternatively, that they're something designed for race/competition cars, which would be subject to much more regular cleaning and maintenance. It will be...

There's a guide here that should help you with that: https://cliosport.net/threads/197-200-model-guide.764458/ The 200 Cup chassis is the pick of the bunch in terms of handling and regarded as one of the best hot hatches around, but all of the 197/200 variants handle well.

Can't say I've ever noticed that. Must be a Yorkshire thing.

In a straight line maybe, but round a track I would expect a 197/200 to be quicker. I have worked mine out a couple of times and I don't think the trip is that far out if I recall correctly.

What do people expect from a relatively highly tuned 2.0-litre normally aspirated engine though? It's not as good as a 1*2, but it's hardly terrible. I can't think of any 2.0-litre hot hatches that offer diesel running costs :ROFLMAO:

Or ignoring the horror stories on the internet :ROFLMAO: they have their issues, but so does every old hot hatch. Mine has been ok so far. I think you just have to go into it with your eyes open and buy one where the common stuff has been covered.

Reading that lot you'd think they break every ten minutes :ROFLMAO:

The main additional thing with the 197/200 is the twin pivot front suspension. This means there are some extra ball joints in the front end. To have these replaced by Renault is very expensive (about £1k per side), as they replace the whole hub, but you can buy the ball joints seperately and...

My 172 was on about 145k when I sold it. It still drove fine. They seem to take the miles ok if they're looked after.

The 197/200 aren't as bad as some make out. Mine averages around 33mpg, which isn't bad for a 190-odd bhp 2.0-litre car in reality. The 172/182 is a bit better on fuel, as it's a tiny, light little thing, but the 197/200 is a nicer every day car in my view, as it's a bit bigger and nicer inside...

Really like this car. We need video. I think it would look awesome with the 133 kit on it

Needs a bigger rear wing.

Looking forward to this one!

I can see another diesel-style backtrack in the future to be honest. Governments are latching onto BEVs like they're the solution to every transport issue. 10 years from now, 20 at most, I can see the headlines about the environmental damage of mining the materials etc. If the COVID-19 outbreak...

I think cars with all these options will become very sought after, though I would have concerns about having the Ohlins serviced in future. People will come back to these in the future for sure though. They were a real high point in hot hatch terms.

I don't think the Torx screw behind the grommet does come out does it? It just rotates a bit to allow you to pop the small part of the handle off? I just put a trim tool behind it and it popped off. The handles were a bit of a ballache. My mate wants me to do his now he knows I fixed mine...

This. Chris Harris said it on a podcast a few months - car manufacturers used to innovate, designing cars and features that made things better. Relevant to this thread is the fact that Renault created the Espace, which was a really clever car. Now car companies are knocking out endless...

Plenty of nice options, but quite a few of the last Cup-S seemed to have a lot of options thrown at them. I wonder if there were a lot of dealer demo/manager cars. I did plenty of miles in my Cup chassis car and didn't think it was that bad unless you were on B roads. Lovely car, though not my...

Vodafone seem a bit hit and miss round here, but it is the arse end of nowhere I suppose. As long as it's not O2, they are utter dog s**t lol

Most important thing is coverage, depending on where you live. It's patchy as hell round here, so you have to be so careful. Who do Three run off now?

Welcome!

Bit harsh on the Focus tbh

Yeah they do sit nicely, and the arches are definitely the nicest feature of the 197/200. I don't know if they do the track days anymore. The R.S. range is a bit light these days.

I have a project thread, not that I have done a lot: https://cliosport.net/threads/my-rb-197.832299/

Just read some of the comments and you'll get a good sense of what the guy is all about. What an absolute pellet.

Basically the same thing lol

What a prick. If he'd just got out of the car when asked, they probably wouldn't have been so hard on him. His attitude stinks. If he wants to give people advice, maybe advise them not to speak to Police Officers like they're c***s. It will never go well. I'm not sure taking pictures of a car...

Hang on, didn't you just sell one of these that had had loads done to it?

This is a beauty. Good, near-standard Cups are only going to get more and more desirable.

Yeah that's it. I had a few warranty issues with mine when I first got it, which put me off, but once that was sorted and I'd done a couple of minor mods, I loved it. Really want another.