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They will never look like that though. Wow. Alfas command respect. Even if it's due to the owners mental instability! ;)

Re: Winter Protection Detail - Gtechniq C1/FRP/ASW Content Ect... Just uploaded a couple of vids to YT of C1 doing it's thing. I know Toby was looking to see what it's like in action. First wash in 6 weeks, quick snowfoam followed by a wash with gwash (fantastic shampoo) and it's back to...

He was on not long ago he's just bought a Trophy. He took a ripping for that. Williams > Enzo iirc.

Don't get him started ffs!

It's actually pronounced Smeg 250! Peasant!

No M3? I'm in.

Reading that back you're right mate. I apologise. It wasn't nieve, I had heard before that thread that Mcrae said good things about the Frp. I just blindly thought the guy had found the quote on the net. In hindsight he was ripping the utter urine! :o

You having monitor issues Russ? :o

It wasn't aimed at you Col tbh. It was more about the reason the owners defend it like we do. People forget all the way through this thead that i'm not claiming it's the greatest hatchback/coupe ever made. There are lots of better cars out there. I'm simply defending it as an owner when...

It was actually a good thread once I had taken my Frp pj's off.

It is. :o A little nieve much. I read it again not long ago and was quite embarrassed. I knew that wasn't a real quote mate. It stemmed from the Colin Mcrae quote I had heard about. Turns out he was working for Ford when he said good things anout the Frp. Frp' is me. I never said anything...

Iirc there were a couple of CS members in that thread. Did you get a read at my reply to your posts before Col? I think a lot of my problem is the Frp imo is a car that needs to be driven to form an decent opinion. If you don't like it that's fine but don't shout it down like it's a bad car...

Couple of things it's the not the best car evererer. The Trophy imo is a better car. The barrel-rolling comment was more to do with bodyroll rather than actually being able to keep up. Sadly i'm not a quick driver. I'm much too afraid of the outcome should something go wrong. Due to the job...

Chip answered that for you. :o Of course the 1.7 is better. It's cheaper. Fit some suspension to it and it'll decimate all iirc.

You've made me question myself for listening to journos. Bare in mind it's not 1-2 journos. I have about 4-5 mags from 2000/2001 with reviews on the Frp. Evo, Autocar to name 2. Maybe they're all wrong and you're right?The price is irrelevant if you're simply discussing the better car or the...

It was nowhere near worth £24,000 still doesn't change the fact that the press loved it over it's rivals. 172/DC2 to start. Price imo doesn't matter. We're not discussing price. I could buy a £1500 M3 and make it a better car than a 172/Frp. Doesn't mean jack. I have the Evo mag from...

Ah the xenons! The most important thing on a hot hatch iirc. :o

I have some videos of C1 in action to upload to my detail thread soon Russ. Hopefully tomorrow if I can. Give them a look let me know what you think.

No soft start and 1000rpm as the lowest speed? They really missed a trick with that machine. Coukd have been so good. Can't believe they made a pro because the lcd display was so bad.

That's a good thing she's not talking. Always better that way. Get her a small car that's Silver. Jobs a good.

Those rear ends are just dirt magnets. My heap seems to be a little cleaner than the others...

So you're still saying it's all about power. The first thing I noticed when I drove a 172 after owning my 1.2 was how quick it was and then how well it handled. This was due to the fact most of the time you start off your drive in a straight line it makes no sense. The first thing I noticed...

C1 isthing you want uf you want to almost forget about it. All depends what you want. Are you going to clean it afterwards?

You worded it totally wrong. The Ib5 gearbox LSD or not surpasses anything Renault came up with. So it's all about engine power then? Suppose they could have dropped a 2.0ltr turbo in it and made it grp 20 insurance and sold even less of them? What about the bespoke suspension, honed by...

I don't understand your point. 80 of them came with LSDs. It also doesn't make a difference to the gearbox, the drive yes, the feel of the gearbox no. The price doesn't really matter in this context. We're talking about the cars. I don't desire cars because they are more expensive, I...

I found it hard to disagree with you before Chip as I thought you would be pretty independant and knowledgable in your thoughts, especially in the Frps case due to now working for a Ford mag. I'm just a little astounded that you didn't think it was that good and you thought a 172 was not only...

Please don't Jay. It's the biggest con in the world mate, take £200 and pay a local detailer to give it a once over. Be worth twice as much as supaguard/diamondbrite et al.

Is Castle Combe a tight track guys? It a spiritual home for the Frp and it seems to have some pretty quick laps round there. I hate using track times but it's a great indication of the Frps handling if it's down on power yet can come out on top time and time again against it's rivals.

He'll scoff at that but they have a lot more in common than people give them credit for. Also I don't think the Frp is awesome, It's an underpowered 11 year old Puma but drive one with an open mind you'll see why me and the press I might add think it's such a special car. Make up your mind...

Oh so we're modifying them now. Brilliant. Like I say I couldn't care less about lap times it just demonstrates it's cornering ability over it's lack of power. I don't have to defend the car Chip. It is what it is and does what it does. But you're making statements that no one seems to agree...