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172 ph1 induction kits: ITG vs Viper – which is best????
C-VXR, T8 Map 220BHP
BMC CDA or if you are flush a ITG Moxogon
i have a viper,sounds awesome, and i havent lost any power, but probably havent gained any either 
C-VXR, T8 Map 220BHP
some have done diy induction kits using the airbox from an espace. with i ITG in it.
Clio 172 ph2
Got a Simota Carbon on the cheap. Had it on my ph2 RS but I think its for a ph1. I'm in Grantham at the mo until Friday nite, then off to Germany. Can meet you in Melton and show you it if you want. Got bugger all else to do. Up to you...
is there a link to that or just in the magazine?
C-VXR, T8 Map 220BHP
Yeah it does but it also backs up the theory that Vipers arnt as crap as some folk make out in terms of performance and temps vs the airbox
Thing is, no two cars are the same plus it all depends on how folk set a IK up, ie has it been mapped? is it in conjunction with other mods? have they put a cold air feed to it etc etc etc etc
PH1 172 Sport
Agree with this 100% Especially with a PH1 airbox save some money and just upgrade to an ITG panel filter and better cold air feeds.
If you want a deeper induction note get an espace v6 box which is the same shape with one big inlet instead of two. There is a guide on this in the guides section of the forum.
Matched Inlets will give you much better gains than an indution kit.
So dont waste £400 in a ITG Max and just get the filter? As for feeds whats best to get then?
C-VXR, T8 Map 220BHP
You can't really apply the results of what was tested in a Ford magazine since that the car tested was completely different!! Still IMO the gains, if any, doesn't warrent the cost a Viper/ BMC/ITG etc. My proof of this is that when I had my car remapped on a RR with standard airbox with better CAFs and samco induction pipe, it gained just 1bhp when the airbox was removed. I can't see how these aftermarket filters could achieve better results than a filter free unrestricted airflow.
Golf GT & A4 Avant
I've just looked through some of the ford mags and saw a test using an escort RS Turbo with standard airbox with panel filter/ open IK/ PX viper. But they only tested intake temps. The viper won, but purely on the fact that it had a CAF, where as the others didn't and there positioned in a pretty cr#p position compared to the clios.
I'd recommend keeping your standard airbox and fitted a panel filter with better CAF. I've used the V6 espace airbox with 1 large CAF from the foglight, and going to be fitting a silicone bend and panel filter soon instead of a standard paper filter.
I can't justify spending £££'s on a IK unless your going to go the whole hog and get manifolds and head matched, and a live remap to suit
Lots of Alfas
You can either take out a foglight and run a big one from there to whatever you decide to have or re-route behind the underlight bumper grille near where the standard ones go(see my guide in the guides section).
Golf GT & A4 Avant
Personnally if it was me I would go down the DIY route and the money you save get your inlets matched
Lots of Alfas
The pipe is just part of the loom. The 2 70mm pipes go straight to the standard box. I had a ITG at the time but went back to the renault filter as it was less restrictive.
The only beniefit with the itg was that it was cleanable. DIY route is much more fun and cheaper.
How much extra BHP would that give you compared to a £400 IK and how much would it affect fuel consumption?
RS RIP
second that :approve:
Yeah but your map will have been all over the shop as there was zero restriction and god knows what tempreture airflow compared to when the airbox was on. If youd a had it mapped with no airbox then it might have been a different story.
Also that test dosent gauge which filters are more / less restrictive than others and the heat soak potential plus the flow rates.
It was properly remapped without the airbox to "simulate" what I would get if fitted with an induction kit and it would be the freest flowing filter since there were no filters attached. Heat soak wasn't an issue since the car was sitting in front of huge funnel that channeled cold air from outside courtesy of a couple of huge fans. The guys at perfect touch (www.perfect-touch.co.uk) know what they're doing since they tune and race their own skylines.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
have orderd some 70mm ducting oafter reading this thread, will order a new stock filter tomorow too, all for my ph1 172. cheers
Just for info I have a phase 1 with an ITG filter in the satndard airbox using some 70mm ducting. Feels stronger in midrange than standard and sounds like this! http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk224/OllieC172/Clio 1/?action=view¤t=MOV01080.flv
Hope that gives you something to go on!
Hope that gives you something to go on!
Cheers ollie, sounds sweet! now if someone would just post a vid n some info with a ITG Maxogen i'll be sorted! lol
You took your airbox off, had basically just a open TB and had the car mapped that way just to ''simulate''?? Car fully mapped with no airbox on??
Sorry matey, i dont belive one word of it because it takes at least a hour plus to map specific (non generic), had mine done and it took roughly 5 hours!!, plus the large expense of it all.
No way would a normal member of the public go to all that trouble and expense. Yes take the airbox off and have it rolling roaded, but not to have it mapped that way when its off
No worries! I have had a look and cant seem to find a Maxogen vid- Try Youtube or Streetfire.net.
Good luck!
