438 cams or RS2 opinions?

[danh90]

Right been looking for a while at these 2 now and can't make my mind up. Wondering if any of you can help give me some advice on what to go for,,

Ive got a stripped ph1 which Ive got set up mainly for track but still road legal drive 10miles a day in it to work,,

I gathered there's not much in price difference between both kits after mapping ect, my other concern my belts were only done 15k ago..

Which will give me more power pull better and overall be better on track

Help appreciated

Dan

 

[Laine_16v]

438's all day long.

 

[-J-]

I've no experience of the cams, but have an RS2 fitted.

Use it daily and its great, drivability is spot on.

 

[aucky]

I believe the RS2 has ceased production?

 

[danh90]

Thought they were just making then when someone wanted one now? May be wrong?

 

[Dan519]

you were going to call me?

 

[leeds_182]

I'd go rs2 personally as it would probably be easier to sell on when the time comes.

 

[danh90]

you were going to call me?

Will tommorow Danny been so busy today with work sorry

 

[danh90]

I'd go rs2 personally as it would probably be easier to sell on when the time comes.

Suppose that's another plus side with the rs2 as I imagine I'll only have the car another year or so

 

[leeds_182]

Suppose that's another plus side with the rs2 as I imagine I'll only have the car another year or so

To be fair, I don't think I'd bother at all if I was only keeping the car for another year. Both set ups will cost £1000 plus which is quite an outlay.

 

[danh90]

To be fair, I don't think I'd bother at all if I was only keeping the car for another year. Both set ups will cost £1000 plus which is quite an outlay.

no plans to sell but im always looking about but the car doesnt owe me anything so may even just run it until it stops..

 

[Toastfrenzy]

438's all the way......

 

[danh90]

swaying towards the 438's with the ktr induction kit

 

[imprezaworks]

I'd do what your thinking dan

 

[McGherkin]

438's.

 

[danh90]

now the decision who to book in with going to give danny@519 tommorow and have a chat him or RS tuning i think ill be going to

 

[imprezaworks]

both are superb mate. I've only ever been to rs tunning and Paul was great.

 

[danh90]

will probably come down to price between the 2 as i have no doubts both there work will be spot on

 

[mark123]

RS2 requires extra work on ph1 due to cable throttle and icv. It was never sold for ph1 but Mike from MWM has got one fitted to his.

 

[Toastfrenzy]

Dan At 519 - though you're closer to RS?

 

[danh90]

I am closer like I said price will prob Make decision

 

[Nick172Cup]

Both good upgrades, but I'd go RS2 primarily as I've had one and I'm using another one on the racecar I'm building.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Suppose that's another plus side with the rs2 as I imagine I'll only have the car another year or so

Total no brainer in that situation then.

Buy a secondhand hand RS2 for about a grand, either modify it yourself for an ISCV or get Mike to do it for you.

Fit it yourself in a couple of hours (thats how long it took my mrs to do hers, its really not hard)

Get Mike from MWM to map it for you, for about 300 quid


When you sell the car on take it off, Mike will put your old map back on for a nominal charge, sell the RS2 and get your money back.



If you do cams, it will cost you the same sort of money initially, but when you come to sell the car, you'll be lucky if you get any money back at all for the cams by the time you have had to pay someone to refit the standard ones, as that will be nearly as much as the secondhand cams will sell for.


RS2 cost of ownership will be about 500 quid or less, cams cost of ownership will be more like 1300 quid.

 

[danh90]

What will produce more power and drive better? overall better option? forgetting cost

 

[Fletcher]

438s.

 

[Chip-mk1]

What will produce more power and drive better? overall better option? forgetting cost

RS2 will drive better as a road car, it gives a big boost in bottom end torque which the cams will not.
At top end they will both pull well.

If you are on track only with the car, then the advantages of the RS2 at the bottom end wont be relevant so they will be much of a muchness.


By the way, might be asking people to mention if they have driven or at least been in a clio both on 438 or similar cams (421s etc) and on an RS2 when they reply, as Ive noticed quite a few people on here seem to like to talk about stuff they know literally nothing about and have never even driven, lol
(for example I have driven lots of different cammed clio engines and several RS2 cars, so am talking from a point of plenty of experience that is relevant)

 

[Laine_16v]

Im looking forward to the day i see an RS2 that manages to break 150ft lbs on a stock engine. I think i'll be dead by the time that happens though.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Im looking forward to the day i see an RS2 that manages to break 150ft lbs on a stock engine. I think i'll be dead by the time that happens though.

Here you go mate:

 

[Laine_16v]

Holy s**t 151ft lb.

I had an incling you'd post that graph (i do remember it for being the flattest torque cover ive seen a while back). That was a "healthy" one. Not seen another one get close to that.

 

[Meek_racing]

Go for the cheaper option and spend the rest on more track days

 

[Chip-mk1]

Holy s**t 151ft lb.

Or the other way of looking at it is 3500rpm during which it never goes below 148.

Personally I would much sooner have a good spread of torque than a slightly higher peak figure for only a small portion of the rev range

IIRC you said on here that you got rid of your 438s because they were too peaky and you didnt like the fact you couldnt easily keep it on the boil? So I would have thought you of all people would appreciate the effectiveness of an RS2, especially on track?

Here is me in our RS2 car for example, still with the leather and aircon, I absolutely love how massively tractable the engine is:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?660036-Video-of-our-RS2-clio-172-at-combe-today

Disclaimer, that car does have 197 cams as well, but thats only increased the top end power slightly, hasnt done anything to improve the spread of torque, thats all down to the RS2

 

[Chip-mk1]

I had an incling you'd post that graph (i do remember it for being the flattest torque cover ive seen a while back). That was a "healthy" one. Not seen another one get close to that.

Here is -J- with his RS2 (164bhp as a standard car, so not a freaky powerful one to begin with or anything) mods are just exhaust mods and mapping and RS2:

TBH from talking to Mike @ MWM, it is pretty much normal for him to get these results, obviously the F4R is famous for varying, but in his experience (which is more than anyone else has I would imagine) they make those sort of numbers more often than they dont, I think that a lot of people (including yourself) probably are thinking of the figures that people were getting before James teamed up with Mike from MWM to do the mapping, so IMHO a lot of the previous lower figures were because they simply werent mapped as well as Mike does, so it wasnt a problem with the product, just with the people mapping it not knowing what they were doing well enough (or possibly knowing but just couldnt be bothered as it wasnt their product?)

 

[Nick172Cup]

Hi.

158 lb/ft unmapped.

 

[danh90]

not really bothered that much about driveability on the road chip as literally do a 10 min journey to work in it thats it..

some pretty good results/graphs posted up there with the RS2

is there alot more to it that just fitting it and getting such as mike to map it?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Other than the fact you need mikes phase 1 mods nothing else to it at all mate. Really easy to fit and to remove.

 

[danh90]

What's the price of the mods for the ph1 I'll need you know mate or am I better just phoning mike

 

[Chip-mk1]

I don't know mate, call or pm mike.