DS2500 Dust Question

[Coops Mk1]

Considering some new pads for the 182, however I am a bit of a tart with my wheels and I don't want to shag them with un-cleanable dust

are the DS2500 manageable in terms of dust? the RC6 I have on the mk1 have basically eaten my superleggera's and I don't want a repeat performance on the Williams wheel's I've just had painted, however I want a bit of bite on the brakes and the standard pads are not living up to my expectations coming from the mk 1

 

[mi16chris]

There a bit dusty tbh but there very very good pads

 

[sbridgey]

There a bit dusty tbh but there very very good pads

I disagree. I don't think they are good at all.

 

[mi16chris]

I disagree. I don't think they are good at all.

Really ? Once there warm there mega IMO

 

[Adam G]

I disagree. I don't think they are good at all.

They're great pads.
You need a parachute!

 

[Coops Mk1]

its not so much the amount of dust as the consistency of it, basically the RC pads are just metal filings that come off the pad and weld themselves to the wheel, literally cannot get them off and the wheel turns rust coloured, nom nom. I wont be happy if something similar happens to the willy wheels on the daily

 

[sbridgey]

They can't take heat well at all. And the stopping power is mediocre IMO.

I ruined 2 sets of discs running these pads on track. Stepped up to DS3000's and the stopping power was considerably better and they didn't ruin my discs.

 

[Coops Mk1]

and please keep a debate about how good they are to elsewhere, i'm more interested in the original question

 

[Adam G]

Really ? Once there warm there mega IMO

You haven't seen Si on track have you? It's like watching the Red Arrows

 

[Adam G]

and please keep a debate about how good they are to elsewhere, i'm more interested in the original question

I would recommend them, not that bad at all on dust IMO. Never had a problem with a simple wash off.

 

[sbridgey]

I would recommend them, not that bad at all on dust IMO. Never had a problem with a simple wash off.

I will agree with that.

 

[Lawro]

Another vote from me, I think they are a great all round pad. Dust isn't the worst I have experienced, as above it doesn't really bake on the wheels like CL Pads so it shifts pretty easy.

 

[Dave..]

If dust is what you're trying to avoid Ben, I had yellowstuff pads off adam for something daft like £90. They aren't as vicious as the DS3000s I put in after, but I could keep on top of the wheels being clean.

 

[bozothenutter]

I have Ds2500, ran them on my first trackday so they hardly got heavy use.
I left the dust on the wheels for about two weeks...no problem in wiping it off....the Ironx I used after did go mental though....

 

[Coops Mk1]

cheers for the advice folks, I think I may give some a try

Dave, I've used EBC before in all 3 flavours in the turbo, dust is as you say more than manageable but I've never got on with the pads tbh

 

[Chip-mk1]

The dust off ds2500s doesnt seem corrosive particuarly.

 

[Dave..]

Well f*ck you then old man

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

Easy to clean off as an oem spec pad dust ime. Give your alloys a good clean and use a wheel sealant on them and a quick hose off will remove most of it

 

[car.crash]

I had them on my Leon with freshly painted wheels. I ran all winter without cleaning them and the new paint was fine and the dust washed off.
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[MG cup]

They aren't a metalic pad so can't rust your wheels paintwork. I do track days and leave it baked on for a month sometimes, some g101 and a mitt and its off.

I find them mediocre in my Meg 225 callipers and they warp my disks slightly on track, the disks do straighten a bit when you do a cool down lap, haven't used them in standard callipers though.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Never had an issue with them. Always cleans off

 

[Chip-mk1]

They aren't a metalic pad so can't rust your wheels paintwork. I do track days and leave it baked on for a month sometimes, some g101 and a mitt and its off.

I find them mediocre in my Meg 225 callipers and they warp my disks slightly on track, the disks do straighten a bit when you do a cool down lap, haven't used them in standard callipers though.

Warping disk is down to heat rather than pad compound surely, so therefore the only way to avoid that is better cooling or worse pads or brake gentler.

Ie its not really a fault with the pad you are using, but with your cooling or your disks

 

[Keith185]

DS2500's dust isn't that bad for that sort of pad and 10x better than Padgid RS4-2's imo.

 

[Coops Mk1]

cheers everyone, think I have enough to do on to give them a try

 

[Ryanph1rs]

Stay always from black diamond ... Got a set thru work overall the performance is good when cold and good when hot but when just warm ( pottering round town ) there shite and the dust is unreal 2 weeks of short journeys and a few 40mile journeys and my wheels are brown with dust and its a caaaant to scrub off

 

[MG cup]

Warping disk is down to heat rather than pad compound surely, so therefore the only way to avoid that is better cooling or worse pads or brake gentler.

Ie its not really a fault with the pad you are using, but with your cooling or your disks

Not this argument again, I have to brake first/longer compared to a mates Clio on RC6 so I think that's where the heat is coming from, I get a slight warp which then almost disappears after they are cold and normal driving resumes. Without appropriate cooling I think they will stay warped.

Sbridgey echo's this problem and from what i'v read he's the last to blink on the brakes and has tried various compounds so I stick to my original comment.

 

[Fletcher]

The dust off ds2500s doesnt seem corrosive particuarly.

My thoughts too. The DS3000s on the other hand will ruin wheels.

 

[MicKPM]

I'm a bit late on this one but my 10 pence worth...

I didn't rate the DS2500 and I killed a set of Brembo discs and these pads on track earlier in the year. Not a particularly amazing stopper either IMO especially not for the money.

I run the DS3000 now but that's not what we're on about here.

Before going to my current setup I went with Brembo discs and Brembo OE compound pads and actually thought they were just as good as the DS2500 but more importantly less than half the price!

 

[MG cup]

Before going to my current setup I went with Brembo discs and Brembo OE compound pads and actually thought they were just as good as the DS2500 but more importantly less than half the price!

+1

I ran the OEM Megane Brembo pads (£30 pad) for two track days this year after fitting my callipers, I then went to DS2500 (£160 pads) and there wasn't a massive difference in performance, the brake fluid started to seep out the brake bottle with heat and I get a warp in the disks and melted 3x team dynamics centre caps.

To sum up... not really worth the outlay, there must be better non metallic pad (no paint damage) out there for the price.

 

[bozothenutter]

I found the reverse, the DS2500 has more bite, the OEM brembo ones seem 'softer' initially.
But then again........i have never boiled my brake fluid

 

[MicKPM]

It's all down to driving style and personal interpretation so completely a "horses for courses" issue but I will never buy or recommend anyone buy DS2500's as an "Upgrade" when the OE Brembo compound does the same on both road and track for less. This is what I always buy from George/G-172 when customers ask for brake parts and they've never let us down or had complaints.

Mick

 

[Dave..]

Thread needs locking before this turns into chip vs CS again.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

How do the RC5+ compare to the DS2500 in terms of dust and braking performance?

 

[Sam@NP]

I disagree. I don't think they are good at all.

Yeah but you're an animal lol.

The dust just washes off but they do generate a lot of dust but strictly speaking they are not a road pad which are designed to generate less dust.

 

[Sam@NP]

Warping disk is down to heat rather than pad compound surely, so therefore the only way to avoid that is better cooling or worse pads or brake gentler.

Ie its not really a fault with the pad you are using, but with your cooling or your disks

This entirely. A better compound will generate more heat, the only ways to reduce the heat is bigger discs, bigger pads or ducting or of course a worse pad.

 

[Cup_Phil]

Wow totally off topic in under 1 page.

The dust is quite a lot worse than normal road pads but it doesn't eat into the wheels at all.
I've run DS2500's on both standard calipers and 4 pots for 3 years now.
When you fit them give your alloys a really good wash inside and out and put some wheel sealer on them. You'll find you can just wipe the dust off when washing it with a rag, it's dead easy.


As for the heat issues - the problem with DS3000's on a road car is they need to get hot, not ideal unless it's a fully committed track car.
The DS2500's do overheat on standard calipers but I find that's just because the standard brake setup is s**t for dissipating heat even with brake ducts.
The DS2500's in my 4 pots at cadwell VERY heavy on the brakes everywhere and they never overheated or lost bite once.

 

[Sam@NP]

Wow totally off topic in under 1 page.

The dust is quite a lot worse than normal road pads but it doesn't eat into the wheels at all.
I've run DS2500's on both standard calipers and 4 pots for 3 years now.
When you fit them give your alloys a really good wash inside and out and put some wheel sealer on them. You'll find you can just wipe the dust off when washing it with a rag, it's dead easy.


As for the heat issues - the problem with DS3000's on a road car is they need to get hot, not ideal unless it's a fully committed track car.
The DS2500's do overheat on standard calipers but I find that's just because the standard brake setup is s**t for dissipating heat even with brake ducts.
The DS2500's in my 4 pots at cadwell VERY heavy on the brakes everywhere and they never overheated or lost bite once.

​4 pots are king

 

[Dan519]

I'd honestly just stick with good quality standard spec stuff. ds2500 are over rated and over priced, I agree fully with sbrigey, they're not very good at all

 

[Fred@BTM]

I disagree. I don't think they are good at all.

yes but you are excessively heavy on the brakes, cool down laps - good idea

 

[Cup_Phil]

Another advantage of 4 pots - £60 for a set of DS2500's instead of the insane £120 ish they are for clio calipers