Fastest 172? No, cheaper 172.

[Vish]

Feck which one is fastest or what not!

WHICH IS CHEAPER TO RUN??? Ph1 or Ph2 (not cup)...

Tyres: Ph1 roughly £60 cheaper for a full set,

Tax: 08/09 Ph2 is £25 more,
09/10 Ph2 is £60 more,
10/11 Ph2 is £60-70 more,

MPG: The same-ish depending on how you drive it,


Anything I am missing?


I calculate a ph2 will cost £205 more over 3yrs in just tax and a new set of Eagle F1s.

But a ph1 will need £400 worth of ph2 lights, ph2 bumper and spraying, and colour coding ph1/ph2 side strips for me to be fully happy with it.

So ph2 is cheaper on that basis.

 

[duncansharp]

But as the Ph1 is lighter, shouldn't it be a little better on fuel?

 

[DrR]

by my calcualtions the tyres on the ph1 are £180ish a set cheaper if you use pe2s

Toyo's are only £36 on 15s £66ish on 16s, massive difference.


ph1 will be way cheaper to buy to

 

[Dooby]

If your that bother'd bout £200 ish pounds over 3 years dont get a RS
end of.

 

[Vish]

But as the Ph1 is lighter, shouldn't it be a little better on fuel?

That's why I'm askig mate, but guessing it can't be that different.

by my calcualtions the tyres on the ph1 are £180ish a set cheaper if you use pe2s

Toyo's are only £36 on 15s £66ish on 16s, massive difference.


ph1 will be way cheaper to buy to

My local fitter's prices are 195/50/15 F1 GS-D3 = £44, 195/45/16 = £58.69. Hope that's right size for ph2.

Yeah, ph1s are cheaper but its getting hard to find a good one local, don't really want to travel miles and mosts have other mods. A lot of ph2s about so prices not hugely different.

If your that bother'd bout £200 ish pounds over 3 years dont get a RS
end of.

Sorry if my post came across as if I'm on a strict budget or I'm tight lol I was wondering if there would be a bigger price difference running them. I'm dead cert on getting an RS. Wanted a ph1 as I thought it'd be cheaper to run cos of tax mostly but sorting the rear end would cost me more. The last bit of my post was merely a bit more info about my plans

 

[Dan 172]

Ph1 cheaper to buy and very slightly to run, but I still couldn't live with that interior and front-end.

Plus I'd still rather have a 53 reg car other an X-reg car.

All down to your bugdet and which you prefer at the end of the day.

 

[Vish]

Well budget for buying is a bit stretchable, but wondering if there were any major price differences over the years, except tax and tyres.

The little bit more on buying the car will get a newer car with nicer interior like you said. I'm not majorly bothered about which car as I like the look of them both, its just costs over the next few years.

Any difference in servicing? Part prices?

Such as fly-by-wire throttle, or different gearbox?

 

[Budgie]

If you're worried about £2-300 over 3 years, then why are you changing the rear lights and bumper?

 

[Dan 172]

Servicing is the same, so I'd go for which one you prefer.

I'd personally liked the Ph2 due to toys and looks, I had a 53 plate 172 for nearly 3 years and would of had a 182 if I had the money.

 

[Vish]

If you're worried about £2-300 over 3 years, then why are you changing the rear lights and bumper?

I'm not worried about £2-300. I was thinking of getting a ph1 as a few months ago, they were a fair bit cheaper than a ph2 but wanted a ph2 rear end. Now ph2 are cheaper than they were, its not a big difference in buying price. Just wondering about running costs.

Maybe I put too much info in 1st post lol

Servicing is the same, so I'd go for which one you prefer.

I'd personally liked the Ph2 due to toys and looks, I had a 53 plate 172 for nearly 3 years and would of had a 182 if I had the money.

Cheers Dan. It would be nice to change to a ph2, instead of keeping with a ph1 interior.

Having been in Ivan's ph1, the rawness of it felt great, and really convinced me to get a ph1, its just too hard to find something good and not too far away, so will opt for ph2 me reckons. See what comes along within the next couple of weeks.

 

[106GTi97]

I think possibly your worrying alot about something really little... lets be honest 300 quid over a year is naff all

 

[Mike_H]

Get a ph2, stop worrying about nothing!

I was looking for a ph2 but I came across my ph1 flamer with low miles and for a lot less than the ph2 were selling for at the time.

 

[ForceIndia]

Ph1 better to drive, slightly quicker, cheaper to run, better throttle response. For the price of a ph 2, you could get a ph1 with the body mods done, and stretch to coilovers. I've had 2 ph2's, now a ph1.

 

[Vish]

I think possibly your worrying alot about something really little... lets be honest 300 quid over a year is naff all

Yeah, I'm not really bothered about that cost.

Just wondering if any major cost differences, like if gearbox or engine parts are more expensive cos being a bit different.

 

[ForceIndia]

Gear ratios slightly longer on the ph1. Evo ran both, could never match the ph1 times.

 

[The Boosh!]

ph1 interior is gash though..

IMO

 

[Vish]

Ph1 better to drive, slightly quicker, cheaper to run, better throttle response. For the price of a ph 2, you could get a ph1 with the body mods done, and stretch to coilovers. I've had 2 ph2's, now a ph1.

That's the bit I'm getting at, is the difference significant or not?

Why do you find the ph1 better to drive btw?

 

[Timmay]

im like warren - had a ph2 and a ph1 - i found the fuel economy slightyl better on my ph2 tho

love all its refinements - however the ph1 is lots of fun to drive

 

[Vish]

im like warren - had a ph2 and a ph1 - i found the fuel economy slightyl better on my ph2 tho

love all its refinements - however the ph1 is lots of fun to drive

The extras of the ph2 are appealing, but I've never had them so not so bothered, all I want is AC so ph1 is ok.

What makes the ph1 better to drive? Is it the weight difference?

 

[Alex_X93]

Why would you want to change ph1's slaggy standard apperance by fitting cheesey rear lights colour coded side strips and a ph2 rear bumper?!? ph1 looks better standard it's cheaper and is a better car to drive end of.

 

[Vish]

I just prefer the ph2 bumpers and lights mate.

 

[ForceIndia]

The weight difference plays it's part, as does the engine (slightly less refined but much better throttle response), steering has more feel, the ph2 feels less adjustable, less fun.

 

[Vish]

Thanks Warren.

I was always going ph1 until the last week or two, the only ph1 within reasonable distance needs wings respraying and has no service history. Only considering ph2s as there is a bit more choice.

From your experience, would I feel unhappy in a ph2? Its still a great car ya?

 

[ForceIndia]

All good cars. From my point of view, for the price of a semi decent ph2 (4.5-5k) I've got a ph1 on awesome coilovers, and (soon) some reclining buckets. If you've not driven a Trophy or coilovered 172, you'll be more than happy with a standard ph2. Where are you based?

 

[Spongebob 172]

get a ph1 vish you wont regret it

 

[Vish]

Its hard finding a decent one local though Not prepared to travel miles and miles just yet. Am checking autotrader, pistonheads and the for sale section twice a day lol fingers crossed something will be about soon!