long journey home... cars broken..

[J03]

well my had broken down.. the engine idles but theres no response when pressing the throttle.. had to idle it home.. about 15 miles..
i dont know what the problem is but my friend suggested that it might have been the throttle cable... or more seriously the cloth that was attachted onto the induction kit suction has gone missing... which can only lead to one thing.. inside the engine!

thing is would the engine still run with the cloth being inside the engine? i cant beleive it am devasted..

 

[Marky_]

You won't have a throttle cable....

 

[J03]

what could it be then? theres a coil light lit up and a box with a zigzag line through it, and the engines lights on.. what does them two others mean?

 

[Beef-Mc]

If you find out, let me know, mine was doing the same.

Rev's sit at about 2K but no power, if you turn it off an on a couple of times then rev it for a bit it seems to clear the problem.

 

[J03]

thing is i 'cant' rev... it doesnt let me, theres no response at all... it sounds like its constantly revving and low revs

 

[Beef-Mc]

Think it took me 5 attmepts at turning it off and on again to clear what ever was wrong with it.

 

[J03]

i dont know if the clothes clogged up the engine or theres something wrong with the coil pack..

 

[Beef-Mc]

What cloth did you have on your filter? :S

 

[J03]

home brew..

 

[AlexG]

why have a cloth on the filter. asking for trouble really!

 

[J03]

to make it breathe easier... the coil rings come off and am guessing the clothes been sucked into the engine...

does anyone know what the lights mean??

 

[Hutchie]

possible thats its a dodgey electronic pedal???

 

[J03]

its never happened before.. and tbh i ragged it around the car park, only for like 15 secs and the thing broke! i never happened before i limped it all the way on clutch and idle which took me ages... could it be the pedal? surely IF the cloth was sucked in the engine wouldnt work at all? and the exhausts stinks...

 

[-J-]

Coil pack

 

[john.med]

Mine was doing this, in addition to not starting at all. I replaced the t/body, then the fly by wire throttle pedal and finally cleaned up the TDC sensor. The world's a better place now!

Was difficult, because visually everything was ok, and no fault codes were coming up. So Reno would have charged me endless sums to just replace things, so I did it myself, and didn't charge quite as much!

 

[Dafthead]

So no-one thinks that having a cloth in his engine is causing the problem?

 

[RexinaTrophy]

The light means the engine is not right. Probably because some dirty laundery is clogging it up. Rather than ask for blind advice on here take it to a specialist and ask them to make a visual inspection.

 

[Timmay]

Coil pack

was thinking that myself - especially if the exhausts stinks

cloth being sucked in cant help either tho

 

[mikey_172]

if the cloth has been sucked up through your induction then it proberly could of wedge the throttle body open? id wip the induction hose off and have a look see

 

[gtruk]

At last someone is talking sense ^^^ Thank god.

The throttle is not responding because the butterfly can not move as its has a CLOTH holding it open/closed/wedged. Remove whatever contraptions you have in place of your air filter, remove the pipe that leads to the Throttle body and look in it. You should see the cloth and be able to remove it. If not open the butterfly manually with your hands and shine a torch in there. Might be stuck in the inlet plenum if your lucky.

Next time DONT use a cloth or your mums tights, use a filter or risk engine failure and bore wash.

P.s GET PICS. I need a giggle.

 

[J03]

ha cheers for all the response guys, so am going to go ahead with what your saying, il check it out as soon as i have the car home.. its parked at a relatives house atm... so am guessing its the cloth thats causing the problem then and not the coilpack

 

[Pedro]

LOL homebrew cloth trick.

Oh dear.

Good luck bud.

 

[mikey_172]

ha cheers for all the response guys, so am going to go ahead with what your saying, il check it out as soon as i have the car home.. its parked at a relatives house atm... so am guessing its the cloth thats causing the problem then and not the coilpack

you wont know that till you look if it was me id strip it down take all the induction off take your plenum off and the fuel rail guard and if you cloths not in the plenum stick your fingers down the bottom part of the inlet manifold may be stuck in there

 

[J03]

hmmm ok il see what my friend says as hes kinda like a mechanic, btw, where is that butterfly? he couldnt find it last nite, well it was dark but we still couldnt find it with a phone flash light... he reckons is electric throttle? if there is a butterfly where abouts is it?

 

[mikey_172]

hmmm ok il see what my friend says as hes kinda like a mechanic, btw, where is that butterfly? he couldnt find it last nite, well it was dark but we still couldnt find it with a phone flash light... he reckons is electric throttle? if there is a butterfly where abouts is it?

remove the air hose like in picture below it has a fly by wire throttle i.e no cable its electronic

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/mikeycorsa241/plenum 172/bolt6.jpg

 

[J03]

thanks for that but my cars a lil 1.2 engine and the engine bay looks completley diff!

 

[mikey_172]

oooopppppppppsss i thought you had a sport lol i dont know much about 1.2's tbh lol

 

[J03]

i would of thought it would be similar though mate... the engine and the airbox is basically the same layout but my engines tiny..

 

[J03]

this is my engine

basically there was a cloth over the hole where that big filter is...

 

[Christopher]

A cloth over your inlet?! WTF. I'm unsure of what you mean by covering the inlet, but taking that out of the equation...

9/10 this is an electronics problem. You have no cable as it's a fly-by-wire throttle. It's going to be either the pedal or the throttle body itself.

Mine was the throttle body, my pedal was fine.

 

[Christopher]

this is my engine

basically there was a cloth over the hole where that big filter is...

Why would you do that?

Filters are designed to FILTER. Clothing is not.

If anything, the cloth would have been more restrictive! Let alone being a stupid fcuking idea.

 

[gtruk]

Stupid ideas aside, If you didnt have any filter of any sorts and just had a cloth, then you really need to have a look inside there the pipe goes. Can you get pics of your current setup? Should be easy to fix unless the cloth made it into the head, then you could be in serious trouble. Im guessing it stuck in the butterfly because the throttle isnt responding. Where are you based?

 

[Christopher]

Good luck with that.

The TB is awkward to get to on those engines. It's inside a plastic plenum at the back. what size was this cloth?

I'm still LOLing by the way. A Cloth!

 

[J03]

lol well the cloth did make the car respond alot better... am based in yorkshire.. ive stuck my phone camera inside the filter and took a picture, all i can see is a small hole...which am guessing thats where the cloth when into!

is there anyway to remove the plenum? my mate said we would need alot more tools to get it off to see... the cloth is a bout 2"x2" sized.. it was folded a couple of times

 

[J03]

this is what i mean by where the cloth is...

...

 

[Christopher]

Yes, there's a metal box around the electronics firstly... which is a cnut to get off!

Then you have to remove the whole plastic inlet plenum.

Not too hard though, if you know your stuff.

EDIT - FPMSL @ the picture! Good job.

 

[Dafthead]

Looks like a genuine bonafide J-cloth

Gotta admit it, the boy's got taste

 

[J03]

ive had the metal box removed due to some misfire problems in the past and had the coil pack changed, help with this would be gladly appreciated even though it was really silly but thats not the matter, i really need to fix it...

christopher can you give me a list to how to remove the plastic inlet plenum please?

 

[MarkCup]

OMG.

Had to say that.

 

[ditz]

OMG.

Had to say that.

would save you a bit of weight fella