Should I accept an empty tank

[fizzy_drink]

Pickin up my baby tomorrow...

I suspect it will have virtually no fuel in it, like all new cars Ive had so far....

Is that how it should be?

 

[neil 172]

yep

 

[geordieclio]

ni beleive only used cars have no fuel new ones should have a full tank imo but proberbly right reno wont give you fuel

 

[182_blue]

YEH unless you asked nicely, but they very rarely put any in

 

[CocoPops]

Yeah, mine had literally a cup full in it.

tbh, Id rather that, than have a tank full of cheapo fuel

 

[fizzy_drink]

The stupid thing is...

... I was using their courtesy car, and filled it right to the brim accidentally... now Ill never get it back!


[Spelling edited by omar on 09 January 2005 at 8:25pm]

 

[CocoPops]

Go rag it til it runs out.

either that or just accept it as a mistake?

 

[Grandpa Munster]

When I picked my 182 up, it had about half a tank.

I was promised a full tank.

So I took the salesman to the garage, I filled up, he paid.

 

[Toypop]

Dont ask them to give you a full tank.

I was given a full tank full - of bleedin 95 RON...

 

[fizzy_drink]

"Go rag it til it runs out."

LOL!

Trust me, its an 04 1.2 and Im ragging it everywhere I go... but somehow Im still going slowly...??

PS: My 96 N 1.2 is quicker for some reason...

 

[Munson]

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

 

[stusV6]

Quote: Originally posted by omar on 09 January 2005


The stupid thing is...

... I was using their courtesy car, and filled it right to the brim accidentally... now Ill never get it back!



[Spelling edited by omar on 09 January 2005 at 8:25pm]



Thats it Omar you filled thier car so they should fill yours no problem

By the way a tip from my dad is ALWAYS negotiate at the time of buying goodies like full tank of fuel, mats, mud flaps anything you can think of..........youd be surprised at what you can get eh

Cya Stu

 

[fizzy_drink]

I believe its just performance, although the dealer told me to treat it to super once a month.

 

[fizzy_drink]

Ta Stu..

Might try to get a decent set of mats... and a bit of juice too.

 

[Toypop]

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 09 January 2005

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

Renault have been designing and building cars for 100 odd years. They recommend 98 RON.

There are many people on here that hadnt even been born when the Renault 5 was released and whose only qualification is an A level is Sociology or such like. They will tell you that 95 RON is fine.

 

[CocoPops]

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 09 January 2005

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

well, the filler cap says 98 RON, so why put anything less in? (I only use 95 if I really really really have to, and I only put in a fivers worth etc.)

At the end of the day, would you eat dog food when you had steak on offer? its the same for your car.

Youve bought a nice car, dont skimp on fuel/oil/etc

 

[182_blue]

Quote: Originally posted by omar on 09 January 2005


Ta Stu..

Might try to get a decent set of mats... and a bit of juice too.

you shold get a set of mats with it, and they dont really do any better

 

[fizzy_drink]

you shold get a set of mats with it, and they dont really do any better

I know, I had them before.... and they lasted a few weeks!!! I suppose its a bit longer than the paper ones...

 

[GR7]

Quote: Originally posted by omar on 09 January 2005


Pickin up my baby tomorrow...

I suspect it will have virtually no fuel in it, like all new cars Ive had so far....

Is that how it should be?





Did you not discuss this with the salesman?
Surely your tank will be at least half full!

 

[fizzy_drink]

Well part of me thinks: Youve got away with murder, because youve got 13k trade-in for a 19,500-mile 225, with bold tyres and two owners...

... on the other hand, hes the one who shafted you for 18,000 in the first place!!!!

Ill play it by ear tomorrow...

 

[Chili Red]

Which colour did you go for in the end Omar, silver wasnt it? You lucky thing. I saw a silver 182 today and it looked very nice indeed.

 

[182_blue]

Quote: Originally posted by *GR* on 09 January 2005

Quote: Originally posted by omar on 09 January 2005


Pickin up my baby tomorrow...

I suspect it will have virtually no fuel in it, like all new cars Ive had so far....

Is that how it should be?






Did you not discuss this with the salesman?
Surely your tank will be at least half full!

why do you think that, there not obliged to give you any

 

[lawrence]

i got given a voucher when i bought my cup they said here take that, and fill er up so optimax i got 29 quids worth too, id argue the point mate and ask for fuel

 

[GR7]

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 09 January 2005

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

My local petrol station manager told me that my car doesnt need to run on super unleaded all the time and just to put in a tankful once a month. The guy told me that it is a waste of money and a bigger waste of money to think that a 2.0 Clio needs Optimax! I have tried Optimax twice but felt there was no difference at all and I have read on a couple of websites that it is a complete waste of money if you are a high mileage driver.

I have always used super unleaded and just out of interest on Friday I filled it with ordinary petrol and I cant tell any difference whatsoever and Im not bothered if any higher octane does three more miles per gallon. Next time Ill go back to super unleaded.

 

[gazcaddy]

on my invoice when i ordered my car its includes £20 of fuel in the price of the car, so you should get half a tank

 

[fizzy_drink]

Metallic Black

I had to go for Arctic in the end... That was the only car already coming into the dealership that had the Cup packs.

The dealer hadnt hit his 2004 target, so I knew that I could get a good deal, provided I purchased something that would be counted in his 2004 sales.

It just so happens that the car arrived on Friday (because of xmas holidays etc), so on top of that, I get an 05 regstered car!


[Edited by omar on 09 January 2005 at 8:56pm]

 

[182_blue]

Quote: Originally posted by gazcaddy on 09 January 2005

on my invoice when i ordered my car its includes £20 of fuel in the price of the car, so you should get half a tank

yeh but you paid for it so you should get it, perhaps omar didnt pay for it

 

[Liam]

I asked for a full tank of optimax, which I got and the shell garage is next door. He even saved me the recipet with my reg on to prove it was optimax. lol

 

[Mike T]

Heres a thought - if the dealer doesnt invoice you for it and sells 800 new cars a year at an average of £45 a tank - thats £36000 straight off the bottom line.

What would you do???????????

 

[CocoPops]

Quote: Originally posted by *GR* on 09 January 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 09 January 2005

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

My local petrol station manager told me that my car doesnt need to run on super unleaded all the time and just to put in a tankful once a month. The guy told me that it is a waste of money and a bigger waste of money to think that a 2.0 Clio needs Optimax! I have tried Optimax twice but felt there was no difference at all and I have read on a couple of websites that it is a complete waste of money if you are a high mileage driver.

I have always used super unleaded and just out of interest on Friday I filled it with ordinary petrol and I cant tell any difference whatsoever and Im not bothered if any higher octane does three more miles per gallon. Next time Ill go back to super unleaded.







Its not about how it feels.

RON is to do with detonation temperatures, ie lower RON fuel burns at a different temp and can cause an engine knock.

 

[Mike T]

Theyre all mapped for sh*te fuel across Europe - new ECU or chip and you may need 98 RON to help with detting, Renaults settings which are safe - save the money

 

[CocoPops]

Octane rating
The most important characteristic of petrol is its Research Octane Number (RON) or <A title=Octane href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OctaneU color=#0000ffoctane/U rating, which is a measure of how resistant petrol is to premature detonation (<A title="Engine knocking" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knockingU color=#0000ffknocking/U). It is measured relative to a mixture of <A title=Octane href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OctaneU color=#0000ffisooctane/U (2,2,4-trimethylpentane) and n-<A title=Heptane href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeptaneU color=#0000ffheptane/U. So an 87-octane petrol has the same <A title="Knock resistance" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_resistanceU color=#0000ffknock resistance/U as a mixture of 87% isooctane and 13% n-heptane.

There is another type of Octane, called "Motor Octane Number" (MON), which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. Its definition is also based on the mixture of isooctane and n-heptane that has the same performance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern petrol will be about 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.

In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the headline octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON: but in the United States and some other countries the headline number is in fact the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the "Road Octane Number" or RON. Because of the 10 point difference noted above this means that the octane in the United States will be about 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel in the United States would be 92 in Europe.

It is possible for a fuel to have a RON greater than 100. This reflects the fact that isooctane is not the most knock-resistant substance available. Racing fuels, <A title=Avgas href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AvgasU color=#0000ffAvgas/U and <A title="Liquified petroleum gas" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquified_petroleum_gasU color=#0000ffLPG/U typically have octane ratings of 110 or significantly higher.

It might seem odd that fuels with higher octane ratings burn less easily, yet are popularly thought of as more powerful. Using a fuel with a higher octane allows an engine to be run at a higher <A title="Compression ratio" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratioU color=#0000ffcompression ratio/U without having problems with knock. Compression is directly related to power, so engines that require higher octane usually deliver more power. Some high-performance engines are designed to operate with a compression ratio associated with high octane numbers, and thus demand high-octane petrol. It should be noted that the power output of an <A title=Engine href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EngineU color=#0000ffengine/U also depends on the energy content of its fuel, which bears no simple relationship to the octane rating. Some people believe that adding a higher octane fuel to their engine will increase its performance or lessen its fuel consumption. This is false - engines perform best when using fuel with the octane rating they were designed for.

The octane rating was developed by the chemist <A class=new title="Russell Marker" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russell_Marker&action=editU color=#0000ffRussell Marker/U. The selection of n-heptane as the zero point of the scale was due to the availability of very high purity n-heptane, unmixed with other <A title=Isomer href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsomerU color=#0000ffisomers/U of heptane or octane, distilled from the <A title=Resin href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResinU color=#0000ffresin/U of <A title="Jeffrey Pine" href= "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_PineU color=#0000ffJeffrey Pine/U. Other sources of heptane produced from crude oil contain a mixture of different isomers with greatly differing ratings, which would not give a precise zero point.

 

[lawrence]

Quote: Originally posted by *GR* on 09 January 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 09 January 2005

I was about to ask this question -

How important is it to use 97+ in a 182? Is it just a case of performance, or am I likely to be doing me engine harm if I use 95 all the time?

My local petrol station manager told me that my car doesnt need to run on super unleaded all the time and just to put in a tankful once a month. The guy told me that it is a waste of money and a bigger waste of money to think that a 2.0 Clio needs Optimax! I have tried Optimax twice but felt there was no difference at all and I have read on a couple of websites that it is a complete waste of money if you are a high mileage driver.

I have always used super unleaded and just out of interest on Friday I filled it with ordinary petrol and I cant tell any difference whatsoever and Im not bothered if any higher octane does three more miles per gallon. Next time Ill go back to super unleaded.

youd certainly notice it if you was using optimax all the time then used a cheaper grade the car feels sluggish i fill with anything other than optimax

 

[fizzy_drink]

I thought that the ECU was programmed to run on either, therefore not making a difference in engine life etc... but only in performance?

I dont really know too much about the Rgulr Vs Supr but I would have thought there would be studies from independant scientists somewhere?

 

[stusV6]

Aaaa............now then...............thatll be as clear as............. mud then yeah

Cya Stu

 

[Toypop]

I say again, who do you listen to?

Renault, who have been building cars for 100 odd years or the manager of a petrol station who has an NVQ in retail management?

 

[Liam]

I dunno if there is any real difference we have been over this loads of times on here. I know I always put it in no matter if Im on the M62 paying 93.9ppl for it.

It has a 98RON sticker on the fuel cap and states it in the manual, good enough for me.

 

[fizzy_drink]

Quote: Originally posted by Toypop on 09 January 2005

I say again, who do you listen to?

Renault, who have been building cars for 100 odd years or the manager of a petrol station who has an NVQ in retail management?

Id just like to say: youve made my day!

LMAO!

 

[Pete]

Quote: Originally posted by Toypop on 09 January 2005

I say again, who do you listen to?

Renault, who have been building cars for 100 odd years or the manager of a petrol station who has an NVQ in retail management?

He must know what hes talking about he can use the till cant he! pmsl!

Mine had half a tank in it when I picked it up.

 

[Adams_16v]

i bought a car years back and it had about 1p of fuel in it!