Top Gear online 197 Cup review

[Lee]

It's getting nothing but good reviews so far. :approve:

http://www.topgear.com/drives/D6/A2/roadtests/24/01.html

 

[paul]

how much are you paying them! ^

 

[deanf06]

Yep, thats a good read

 

[sh33n]

He has a point about the spoiler.

 

[Brooky182]

good review that. id like someone to review it against a trophy. but i guess lee can do that when he gets his new cup

 

[Christopher]

i love them... i'm banking on a passenger ride in Lee's in March

 

[The Hoff]

Sounds superb, hopefully it lives upto that write up. Can't agree about the spoiler though, I think the backend looks very...ehmm van like without a flick to the roofline.

Be a great second hand purchase I hope when I'm in the position to warrant one.

 

[Lee]

I did laugh at the comment about the spoiler. I agree with him.

I won't be doing as many track days this year. Buying a house and car within 12 months of each other mean I can't afford the extra running costs of track days. But I'm sure one or two will creep in.

 

[Alan]

how much are you paying them! ^

Prob as much as your being sponsored to drive round in the most pointless RS model in the worst colour ever Paulie

 

[paul]

how much are you paying them! ^

Prob as much as your being sponsored to drive round in the most pointless RS model in the worst colour ever Paulie

Alan do you have lessons to be an arse or does it come natural to you

 

[paul]

Sounds superb, hopefully it lives upto that write up. Can't agree about the spoiler though, I think the backend looks very...ehmm van like without a flick to the roofline.

Be a great second hand purchase I hope when I'm in the position to warrant one.

Agree about the second hand purchase!

 

[Alan]

Prob as much as your being sponsored to drive round in the most pointless RS model in the worst colour ever Paulie

Alan do you have lessons to be an arse or does it come natural to you

Sorry i was born an arrogant cvnt...

Welcome to my world..

 

[Lee]

It's a bargain new.

 

[paul]

It's a bargain new.

i know but i cant justify the 5k swap

 

[Timmay]

what makes you think theyd offer that much for yours?

 

[paul]

what makes you think theyd offer that much for yours?

have you been taking lessons from Alan

 

[lewisniven]

god i want one, i cant wait!!!

 

[Timmay]

what makes you think theyd offer that much for yours?

have you been taking lessons from Alan

from a scot!? f**k off! :rasp:

hi alan btw!

tbh im tempted so badly to have a 197 myself

 

[Beef-Mc]

Seems like a good review, I wouldn't mind these in a few years when theres more on the 2nd hand market.

 

[paul]

have you been taking lessons from Alan

from a scot!? f**k off! :rasp:

hi alan btw!

tbh im tempted so badly to have a 197 myself

it always i want i want i want with you isnt is :rasp:

 

[Alan]

what makes you think theyd offer that much for yours?

have you been taking lessons from Alan

Its all jest Paulie, chill out son..

have you been taking lessons from Alan

from a scot!? f**k off! :rasp:

hi alan btw!

tbh im tempted so badly to have a 197 myself

Greetings and salutations Timothy..

 

[paul]

have you been taking lessons from Alan

Its all jest Paulie, chill out son..

have you been taking lessons from Alan

from a scot!? f**k off! :rasp:

hi alan btw!

tbh im tempted so badly to have a 197 myself

Greetings and salutations Timothy..

Totally chiled Gallon :rasp:

 

[Timmay]

yes it is i want i want i want! lol buy me one

 

[paul]

yes it is i want i want i want! lol buy me one

if i dont have my seats ill have a exdemo if i can find one

 

[Christopher]

how much are you paying them! ^

Prob as much as your being sponsored to drive round in the most pointless RS model in the worst colour ever Paulie

BOOM headshot.

my hero.

 

[paul]

what is it pick on the big guy!

 

[Chris n nic]

I have to say after seeing 1 in blue and 1 in LY both with spoilers I think I prefer it...finishes the back end off nicely imo

Chris

 

[Timmay]

what is it pick on the big guy!

bet you wished youd never returned to cs now eh paul? lol

 

[paul]

what is it pick on the big guy!

bet you wished youd never returned to cs now eh paul? lol

they weren’t exactly nice on seloc

 

[Stevie]

Trophy has been rated best hot hatch ever and he fails to mention it when talking about past Clios pffff.

 

[marc1330]

I want one :dapprove: Test drove a 197 before xmas and sat down with dealer and did all the maths was set to buy one. But sensible head came on and i ended up getting a place to live instead. Maybe i could of lived in the car!!! Nevermind just got new engine for my mini that should be fun when its running.

 

[Gaz_]

Good review. Although it makes me laugh how they all love the 197 now. When it first came out it was too refined, bit gutless etc. Although this was a cup review, the drivetrain is exactly the same :S

 

[Ollie82.]

Trophy has been rated best hot hatch ever and he fails to mention it when talking about past Clios pffff.

Exactly what i thought when i read it.

Mentions the Golf Mk1, Pug 205 GTi 1.9 and says the Williams (?!) was the pinnacle of the hot hatch but then neglects to mention any of the Mk 2 sports!

Err hello? 172 Cup? 182 Cup? Trophy???!

 

[Stevie]

^^ exactly!

Personally, I don't think the 197 has much on the likes of a Trophy / 172 Cup much better performance cars.

I would of liked to of seen a 192 with the MK2 chasis, still don't like the new model, don't think I ever will.

 

[CraigV6]

^^ exactly!

Personally, I don't think the 197 has much on the likes of a Trophy / 172 Cup much better performance cars.

I would of liked to of seen a 192 with the MK2 chasis, still don't like the new model, don't think I ever will.

With regards to performance I would think there is nothing in it between Trophy/172 Cup/R27/197 Cup.

Any additional weight the 197 might have is countered by better brakes and quicker turn in.

Nothing in it at all.

 

[Stevie]

^^ sorry didn't mean speed, I ment an all round better package.

 

[Se7en172]

It's suprising how different the cup is in comparison to the standard 197FF, try it you will be shocked.

 

[Ollie82.]

I did try the R27 and its noticeably different to 197 FF in the chassis department.

I totally respect it as a piece of engineering...so much so i very nearly got a 197 Cup....but i still don't think its light enough and it pays the price, not thru its speed but its liking for petrol.

Mine is just as fast but i can still average 38 mpg....

 

[Stevie]

I bet but its the others things that I don't like, such as the way the car looks, feels, interior etc... just a huge fan of 182/172s because it offers you so much in nearly everything department.

 

[Gaz_]

Its only spring rates etc. Its not a major difference like the 172 cup was. That had a decent weight reduction, wider track different caster angles etc. The 197 cup has lower and stiffer suspension. Thats it. 20kg is nothing imo, what, half a tank of fuel?