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Do xenon headlights have to have washers?



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_Tom

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I know you used to for MOT purposes. Has anyone removed them and had any issues come MOT time? I've just read the 2012 MOT guidelines and HID's are still ok even without washers..

Can anyone clear this up? Also, where can i get the headlight washer covers for the front bumper?
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
I though the new guidelines said it was an automatic fail if xenons didn't have washers.

Blanks you can get from Renault.

It quite possibly does. I just read that HID's are still fine. God knows why it'd be ok for HID's but not xenons..

To be fair i could probably get a ticket anyways..haha
 
  RB 182
I think it should be a fail but I bet a lot of places don't pick up on it.

They do look shocking on the 182's! My old S3's washers were nice little blanking plates that popped up from out of the bumper.
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
I might risk it anyways. Where's best to get the caps from? Anyone know part numbers and prices?
 
As of next year -

Lighting.
Headlamps. Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) and LED light sources will have a new reason for rejection, "A mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective."

So in answer to your question, yes they do.

Front and rear lights single operation.
Main beam warning light.
Steering lock mechanism.
Illumination of malfunction indicator light (MIL) for electric power steering, electronic stability control, electronic park brake control, brake fluid warning lamp, tyre pressure monitoring system and airbag/pre-tensioner.
Drivers seat adjustment.
Speedometer.

Headlamp cleaning and self-levelling if high-intensity discharge (HID) lamps are fitted.
Products on the lens that reduce light output.

Continuity of towbar 13 pin electric socket.
Inappropriate towbar repairs or modifications.

Gas Leak detection spray to confirm the existence of a leak(LPG cars)

Rear passenger doors opening.
All door hinges, catches and pillars.

Catalytic converter missing.

Inappropriate brake system repairs or modifications.
Defective ABS or ESC components.

Battery and wiring.
Power Steering oil level.
Damaged or corroded power steering pipes or hose.
Engine mountings.

Steering and suspension joint dust covers.
Inappropriate steering repairs or modifications.
Steering lock stops.
Steering box oil leakage.
Inappropriate suspension repairs or modifications.
Drive shaft support bearings and coupling gaiters.

And in more detail.

Lighting.
Headlamps. Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) and LED light sources will have a new reason for rejection, "A mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective."

Steering control.
The law requires that vehicles are fitted with some sort of anti-theft mechanism as minimum security protection. Commonly, this is achieved by use of steering locks, transmission locks or gearshift locks. Where a steering lock mechanism is fitted as standard, testers must now check if one is present and operational.

Steering system.
Before the days of MOT Computerisation, many testers incorrectly failed steering and suspension ball joints if the dust cover was split or missing. Well, thanks to the Directive, these items will be included in the test – so if a ball joint dust cover is missing or no longer keeps the dirt out, testers will be able to correctly fail the vehicle.
Sub-section 2.2D covers the steering lock-to-lock check, and will now also cover any significant oil leaks from the steering box and whether any ‘fitted as standard’ steering lock stops are missing. This is more likely to affect those of you testing larger Class 5 vehicles, as not too many light vehicles are fitted with external lock stops.

Power steering.
Checks to power steering will now include a check of the fluid level. But because there is no need to remove the reservoir cap, the check will only apply where the fluid level is visible in the reservoir.
Any inappropriate repair or modification to a power steering component will result in a failure – so a pair of tights in place of the drive belt will not be acceptable! The serious misalignment or fouling of power steering components is also an RfR.
The inspection of fluid pipes for damage and fouling will now also include excessive corrosion.
If a malfunction indicator lamp – fitted to warn the driver of a problem with electronic power steering – is illuminated, indicating a failure in the system, this will be an RfR.

Suspension, wheel bearings and drive shafts.
Testers should be careful to consider the guidance in the information column and the introduction section of the MOT inspection manual before rejecting any modified or repaired suspension components. But to make life easier, the team at VOSA has replaced all the RfRs for unacceptable repairs with a single RfR.
You are already checking all front drive shafts and those at the rear that form part of the suspension. As a result of the Directive, you will also have to check, where fitted, support bearings for excessive wear, and drive shaft inner coupling gaiters that are missing. The RfR for gaiters has also been changed to cover all aspects of the gaiter failing to keep the dirt out. Front to rear propshafts still remain outside the scope of the test.

Parking brake lever mechanism and associated mountings.
Electronic parking brake (EPB) controls have been added to this section, and testers will have to make sure that all parking brake controls have not been ‘inappropriately repaired or modified’. The team at VOSA has defined this as ‘when the repair is obviously likely to adversely affect the roadworthiness of the vehicle or if any modification has seriously weakened the component’. If the vehicle is fitted with an EPB, testers must also check that the EPB warning lamp does not indicate a fault.

Service brake control.
As before, testers will be asked to check that the control has not been inappropriately repaired or modified.

Anti-lock braking systems
Also included under this section are checks to any electronic stability control (ESC) system fitted – called variously ESC, Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), Dynamic Stability Control (DSC), etc. To take account of the additional item, the section has been renamed ‘Anti-lock Braking and Electronic Stability Control Systems’.
The new checks will cover the condition of ABS/ESC components (which are generally common to both systems), electrical wiring, the ESC switch, and the presence and operation of the ESC malfunction indicator lamp.

Mechanical brake components.
Additional checks of the security of brake cables, rods and joints must be made and testers should fail any mechanical brake component if it has been inappropriately repaired or modified. The condition and operation of brake slack adjusters – usually only fitted to very large vehicles with air braking systems – should also be checked.

Braking systems and additional braking devices.
To avoid the repetition of certain checks that apply to a number of sub-sections, the team at VOSA has changed the title of sub-section 3.6A of the inspection manual from ‘Leaks’ to ‘All Braking Systems’. Leaks will still be part of this sub-section, but checks on the security, condition and operation of braking system components have been added. Checks for inappropriate repairs or modifications to braking system components will also be included.
As well as brake valves, sub-section 3.6E will contain additional checks on load-sensing valves. Originally only checking the linkage, testers will now need to check if the valve itself is also:
• seized or inoperative
• defective so that its function is impaired
• incorrectly adjusted.
Testers already check the brake fluid level – but the brake fluid warning lamp being illuminated or inoperative will be a new RfR.

Brake performance.
Another new RfR coming in at the end of 2011 is if, during a decelerometer test, the vehicle deviates from a straight line when the parking brake is applied.
 
that link doesnt work.

I think it was common knowledge that they were clamping down on dodgy HID kits, and making sure all the kit was there on standard ones. Unless they have changed their mind

Its part of the current check -

Lights
Condition, operation including HID and LED headlamps for cleaning, self levelling and security. Headlamp aim. Main beam warning light.


http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022109

AA's website as well -

[h=3]Lighting[/h]Products on the lens or light source that obviously reduce the light's intensity or change its colour will become a reason for failure – applies to front/rear position lamps, registration plate lamps, stop lamps, rear fog and direction indicators,
Headlight requirements are updated to take account of the particular characteristics of High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps.
HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. A car will fail if a mandatory headlamp cleaning or levelling system is missing, doesn't work or is obviously defective.
Vehicles fitted with aftermarket HID systems must also be fitted with properly working washer and levelling systems.
If a headlamp bulb is not seated correctly the resulting beam pattern will be indistinct and this will result in a test fail.
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
Ah it works for me. There's something up their end i think. Anyway thats the 2012 guidelines and i have copied this -

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED​
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given. Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.
[/FONT][/FONT]
HID lamps may be identified by:​
  1. [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]
    [*]taking a few seconds to reach full intensity
  1. having a bluish tinge to the light
  1. having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp
  1. having ‘DCR’ marked on the headlamp lens.
[/FONT]
[/FONT]
HID headlamps use high voltage​
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]and extra care should be taken when inspecting these items. [/FONT][/FONT]​
 
Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.

it doesnt mention anything about not having to have a cleaning system, just that you will be given the benefit of the doubt regarding the self levelling system.
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
But then it doesnt mention anything about having to have a cleaning system -

"dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work"

Its also not in the reason for failure list.
 
They need washers, dont want advice, dont post. Simple.

May i suggest a search.

the new proposed inspection manual from Vosa - 2012

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT Inspection Manual.pdf

Navigate to section 1.7 of Lamps, Reflectors and Electrical Equipment.

Clearly stating -


Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]
Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.
[/FONT]
[/FONT]

And reason for rejection

A headlamp levelling or cleaning device inoperative or otherwise obviously defective.


 
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