Jarvis483 phase2 172 build

[jarvis483]

So the story starts as this. I am in my final year at university now and after a very short discussion with other lads on my course we have decided that to celebrate our university careers we are going on a road trip.

so the plan is to go to le-mans, departing England on June 12th. spend a weekend there, then on to Germany for a few days at the ring followed by a few days in Amsterdam before home.

good plan i hear you say? then i realised that i drove a 1.9tdi VW bora. this would not suffice. So i got my car up on swaps in the hope of finding something more worthy of a road trip.
on 13th Jan i drove from Oldham to Dudley and picked up my first clio sport 172 in exchange for my bora.

below are a few pictures i took on tuesday morning at uni :

now the car seems lovely and straight on the body work and even the interior is pretty clean. it does come with a few problems. what do we expect for a 12 your old car?

So it is lowered but as far as i can see it is not on coilovers but seems very low and the ride is VERY stiff. could these be ultra low springs?
It has a Ktec racing exhaust twinned with a miltek backbox.
A silly cheap cone filter sucking in all that lovely warm engine bay air ( thinking of either an enclosed filter or a standard airbox with panel filter to replace it)
Silly Ripspeed head unit with tiny dvd screen that doesnt even fit properly.
steering wheel is at a strange angle when the wheels face straight ahead.
Digital climate control only blows hot air.
electric mirror stalk is broken and window switches a bit loose.
cigarette lighter has intermittent connection.
Needs a good service and i may throw a cambelt on as a precaution.
also desperately needs engine mounts doing. The engine attempts to leave the engine bay if you rev it with the bonnet open so you can see it.

Lovely headunit configuration.

This is the steering wheel position when the wheels are in a straight line....

thanks for reading and i will try to update this thread with my progress,

Cheers,

Jarvis

 

[jarvis483]

So I took it over to my mechanic last night for him to run a fine tooth comb over my new motor. Turns out its been bodged in several areas......

It's running on cut springs. Who does that anymore!? So I have ordered asset of cheap pro sport -35mm low ring springs just to make the car safe to drive for now.

The dog bone mount has been replaced at some point, but the bolt hole on the block has been damaged. So had to clean the thread and use a much longer bolt to get purchase on the hole and make it a tight connection.

Exhaust has 2 blows, a hanger and rubber missing and a not so greatly sealed clamped joint from mid section to back box.

Needs new discs and pass all round

Track rod end

Bottom ball joint

Inner cv boot

A good proper service with all consumables and an aux belt.

The cambelt looks quite fresh but the cambelt cover itself is missing. Is this a sign that the cambelt has been done and broken the cover in the process?

So guys, have I bought a lemon?

 

[Chi]

Your supposed to check all that before you hand over your hard earned

 

[JamesBryan]

The cambelt cover is missing? :S

That's also the engine mount

 

[jarvis483]

yeh i kinda dropped the ball a bit on this one. drove pretty well though on test drive etc but didnt know it was on cut springs.

i wasnt expecting a minter for a 51 plate tbh.

and by cambelt cover, i assumed there would be some kind of platic shrouding around the cambelt like on most cars? the top engine mount is still in place.

get these little bits sorted and should be a decent running drivers car.

 

[JamesBryan]

I presume you mean this cover? The silver thing on the left of this pic...

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

I presume you mean this cover? The silver thing on the left of this pic...

You got a cheeky little CAF going on there? is that just running down where the air feed went, behind the arch liner?

 

[JamesBryan]

You got a cheeky little CAF going on there? is that just running down where the air feed went, behind the arch liner?

Not my car mate, it was just an example.

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

ah fair enough can I slate the cone filter now lol?? :quiet:

 

[jarvis483]

no that is all in place, i think i was mistaken about the missing cover..... you think that cone is bad Ant? should see the pathetic attempt of an induction kit on mine. waste energy whoever decided to fit it.

soon to be replaced hopefully.

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

no that is all in place, i think i was mistaken about the missing cover..... you think that cone is bad Ant? should see the pathetic attempt of an induction kit on mine. waste energy whoever decided to fit it.

soon to be replaced hopefully.

There's like a life long debate on here about induction kits and cones etc personally IMO that's too close to the engine and quite a short pipe, which although can be considered negligible with the standard inlets on as that provides the length still.

I think at the end of the day the conclusion seems to be that the standard or ph1 airbox with panel filter is the best option, but either way its nothing short of an improvement compared with ITB's so just get what you think sits in the bay okay with preferably some form of CAF.

Ive got the dreaded KTEC one on lol at the end of the day i think it looks good lol probs does nothing for performance and it hasnt significantly lost any horsepower (maybe some torque but ive got 160) as its been for a power run and all is healthy!

so my conclusion lol unless you can afford ITBs standard airbox or if you want some noise an open cone like the KTEC one which is in the coldest part pf the bay.

just dont get one like this what ever you do lol

http://www.phil-barker.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/IMG_5780.jpg

 

[jarvis483]

yeh i think this debate is ongoing through all motoring forums really isnt it?

The one that is on mine is an old, small, metal gause cone that is filthy. its situated quite far forward in all honesty but still i dont think it will be doing much other than soaking up that warm engine bay air. i intend to get myself an enclosed filter and a CAF. there is one in particular i have my eye on produced by HeavySet. like 45 quid posted and real carbonfibre housing. Ill get a picture of the one thats on and the intended replacement soon.

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

yeh i think this debate is ongoing through all motoring forums really isnt it?

The one that is on mine is an old, small, metal gause cone that is filthy. its situated quite far forward in all honesty but still i dont think it will be doing much other than soaking up that warm engine bay air. i intend to get myself an enclosed filter and a CAF. there is one in particular i have my eye on produced by HeavySet. like 45 quid posted and real carbonfibre housing. Ill get a picture of the one thats on and the intended replacement soon.

yeah probably mate

and sounds like a plan mate get some pics of the bay too man

 

[welshname]

Doesn't look too bad. Wouldn't take much to get it looking nice.

Where abouts in Oldham are you? I'm unfortunate enough to live in Failsworth.

 

[Jay.S]

Holy s**t your parked in a disabled bay.

MarcR sort him out!

 

[MarcB]

Holy s**t your parked in a disabled bay.

@MarcR sort him out!

MarcR is currently way too busy to be worried about parking issues just now. :dapprove:

 

[jarvis483]

@ welshname, im from chadderton

@ Jay.S i am technically classed as disabled at my university so get a disabled parking permit for on campus. i have arthritis in both hip joints.....

now for some more pictures! came home from university this evening to find a package on my bedroom floor.

ready for installation ASAP and get rid of the dreadful cut springs. the handling is deffinately compromised by it, solid bouncy rear end is not good. these should rectify that, i hope.
and onto my lovely air filter set up (this was already done before i became the owner).

and the piece of kit im looking at replacing it with.

more updates soon guys.

 

[Rubicon_]

Better with the standard filter back on, that kit is a waste of money.

 

[jarvis483]

Better with the standard filter back on, that kit is a waste of money.

even with the cold air feed? what sort of power would i be loosing with an enclosed filter as apposed to a standard air box, out of curiosity? i like the induction noise on the clio tbh.......

 

[welshname]

The only aftermarket air filter setups that don't seriously affect performance are:
1) swapping to a ph1 setup
2) constructing something similar to the ktec setup which places the filter behind the passenger headlight. Very cheap to do compared to actually buying their kit. This method allows you to keep the induction noise from a the cone filter.

 

[jarvis483]

The only aftermarket air filter setups that don't seriously affect performance are:
1) swapping to a ph1 setup
2) constructing something similar to the ktec setup which places the filter behind the passenger headlight. Very cheap to do compared to actually buying their kit. This method allows you to keep the induction noise from a the cone filter.

thanks for the info. i will have to have a look at the ktec set up and see if i can reproduce something similar. surely im not the only one that enjoys the induction noise? ha

 

[welshname]

Lots of people do. And it's very easy. There is probably a thread on here where someone has listed the parts needed.

 

[jarvis483]

Lots of people do. And it's very easy. There is probably a thread on here where someone has listed the parts needed.

cheers welshname, ill go and have a little search and find some examples.

 

[Rubicon_]

Here you go mate, better with this kind of set up if anything. The noise is fantastic too.

Got all the bits off eBay, obviously you need 2 of the 90 degree bends.

Untitled by Arran Bell, on Flickr

 

[jarvis483]

ah right okay i see, so literally 2x 90 degree bends to situate the filter directly behind the passenger headlight, looks good that azza_

 

[welshname]

Yep, that's basically what people are paying ktec £££ for.

 

[jarvis483]

cool, even that works out at around the £100 mark, but i guess that is cheaper than the k-tec induction kit? the carbon box i posted before is only up for £40 quid ish posted.

 

[welshname]

You could use your cone filter that's already on the car so eliminate £30 from the cost straight away.

The different between what you posted up and what Azza has is that Azza's had benefits, yours had none.

 

[jarvis483]

very true, im up for listening to any hints and tips from people who already own a sport seeing as this is my 1st and not had her long. ive got to get the suspension and braking on point 1st (student budget) but then should be turning my hand to full service, induction, exhaust.

 

[welshname]

For discs and pads give G 172 a shout on here. He's very cheap and most of the forum use him.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/member.php?7127-G-172

 

[jarvis483]

For discs and pads give G 172 a shout on here. He's very cheap and most of the forum use him.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/member.php?7127-G-172

cheers mate, unfortunately ive already ordered some from a mate in the trade. will consider G 172 next time though.

 

[jarvis483]

well last night i got severl parts fitted, springs are now on. discs and pads all round, track rod end and bottom ball joint.

however, i was sent the wrong rear discs using the 22 teeth abs rings rather than the 44. so now my ABS light is on. they have agreed to supply the correct parts however so should have them swapped over soon. Another part im finding it hard to get a hold of though, is the drivers side inner cv joint. ive had about 6 ordered from different motor factors and they keep sending thwe wrong ones!?

i keep getting sent the usual cv joint sleeve type boots. but im sure the inner cv on the clio also has a metal cup attached to the rubber boot? if that makes sense? or am i wrong?

few pictures later to show you lot how dangerous the suspension was on this little clio before i fitted new springs........

 

[JamesBryan]

Adam at Renault Wolverhampton on here should be able to source the cv for you.

 

[jarvis483]

Cheers James, Is he reachable through the traders section on here or am I best to send him a pm?

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

Yeah he's on the traders section mate

 

[jarvis483]

cheers ant, found him in the trade section

 

[ACS_Motorsport]

Adam is sound bloke he'll look after you! Best prices by far too.

 

[jarvis483]

Slow progress from me atm from me im afraid, student budget and currently out of work.
I did however get the new springs fitted along with new discs and pads all round, bottom ball joint, track rod end and patched over the inner cv boot. just needs the wheels balancing and tracking doing now and should drive nicely. Everyone likes a few pictures so heres a few of my shiny parts:

This is how dangerous the previous springs were:

Brakes:

thanks for having a look through my thread. hopefully will have some more work done soon once ive got some more funds.
next on the list is the dreaded cambelt, dephaser, water pump and i am also doint the aux belt too. may aswel seeing as the work is being done anyway.

 

[nixonbradley]

Lovely start! Car looks mint, definitely tear out that Headunit though sounds like you'll have a good trip ahead of you too!

 

[jarvis483]

Thanks nixonbradley, its a nice clean straight motor on the outside, just needs a fair bit of work doing mechanically etc.

they headunit has been replaced now thank god. usb aux cd and all that jazz. much better looking also. The trip should be awesome aslong as it all comes off and i have all the jobs i want doing on the clio done beforehand!