Megane 225 better than mk2 V6

[miketheman2k]

Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 29 December 2004


No offense to V6 owners but when i drove one it felt:

1. Nervous Nervous how? Like skittish? Ive never felt this.

2. Unstable Again, like above, always feels well planted.

3. Heavy Yeah, but that stops the above two

4. Uninvolving Maybe compaired to your willy, but it feels every bit as involving as a 182 IMMHHHO!

Sure they make a nice sound, but i really cant see the attraction of them. More of a gimmick than a sports car.

IMO of course

 

[SimonV6]

Nervous and unstable? I wonder if it was setup right?

My car was awesome on handling untill I took it to Renaults for a new clutch (warranty job) and they put the back end back together wrong and it felt bloody dangerous and very nervous indeed?

Now its been put right (setup correctly) its back to its awesome self again.

just a thought



Simon.

 

[cliotuRS]

two completly different cars. must be amazing to see the reaction of people when you drive the V6.

too many very fast Turb diesels nowaday with great comfort and economy. handling and looks have to be special to warent serious expense.

however i will say this. The fact that you can get a fully equipped megane for 15.5K and a V6 for 24k min new would always sway it for me thats an £8500 difference !?! you could pick up a decent low milege cup for that spare cash and use that on the track and megane for fast road.

just some thoughts

 

[telford_mike]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 29 December 2004


you could pick up a decent low milege cup for that spare cash and use that on the track and megane for fast road.

true, but you still wouldnt own a V6

 

[cliotuRS]

Quote: Originally posted by telford_mike on 29 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 29 December 2004


you could pick up a decent low milege cup for that spare cash and use that on the track and megane for fast road.

true, but you still wouldnt own a V6




LOL fair enough. guess if you can afford that and everything else in your life thats cool i.e house, holidays, nice kit inside the house like big tv and home entertainment aswell as a v6 then fair play. for most i think the megane would be a better financial prospect performance per pound.

 

[BenR]

Megane.

Why, because in my eyes it looks better, warped views maybe....but thats subjective to anybody. V6 is edging towards the tacky side......all those extensions and flares, and a teeny weeny output from a large engine.

Dont get me wrong, its a fine car and i produce alot of parts and tuning specs upto roughly 400bhp in 3.5ltr spec. But who in the hell here is going to do anything like that......it involves removing the engine cover.

In std form, Phase 1s are wallowy and unnerving, and definately not fast. If you dont feel the instability of it your not going fast enough.....and the ironic thing is that you dont have to be going fast in a phase 1 V6.

Phase 2 is a much better car, but far from what it should be.

The best V6s are the ones that are so far removed from std that its not really renaults car.

At the end of the day, its a Laguna in the back of a clio and can be made ALOT better.

But maybe your all right, if i was getting one free i would now take the V6. Think of the Megane i could build with the money made from selling a V6!



OK ok, sorry....no insult to you V6 owners....i know you spent alot and love your cars and are loyal....but im not.....im about as loyal as a sorority girl slut. lol

 

[c__w]

How can a FWD 225bhp car put the power down earlier on a track than a RWD one? I think this would be true to say of your average driver as FWD is generally safer (easier) than RWD. And thats before reading most reviews saying that it either spins its power away or "driving aids" cut back the power.

 

[BenR]

This nonsense and rather generic saying that RWD is better and can put down power better etc etc. Its just such oldskool thinking.

In a high power RWD application, sure ultimately its faster, but the required skill level to control the correct tyre slip angles and make a RWD car go fast is harder than FWD.

BUT, fwd has no problems getting power down in most cases. Infact, FWD is more than liekly to be faster round a sequence of corners where directional and velocity changes are frequent and heavy. I.e. high speed chicanes or slaloms, offcamber and over crest apexs. And with the degree of chassis sophistication, just as much arse out fun can be had in a FWD chassis IF you know what your doing.

As for people who get the wheels to spin like crazy or driving aid trounce on the engine, they should really learn how to use the pedal on the right...its quite that simple.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 29 December 2004


Megane.

Why, because in my eyes it looks better, warped views maybe....




Still reckon you should have gone to spec-savers.....looks better....lol

Its must be one of the ulgiest cars on the roads today.....subjective maybe, but I can not find one mate that thinks the Megane looks good?

Practical yes, great looking, NO imho

I dont see people stopping and taking photos of a Megane...lol looks better.....yeah right.....

Engine wise its ok, scoobie like (2Ltr turbo 225bhp 1375kg) but only FWD...lol, its a nice(ish) turbo FAMILY car, great if thats what you want.





Simon.

 

[BenR]

See what i mean ^^^^^........i know you love your car.

Looks ok, its subjective..........ive been around V6s far too long to find them appealing aesthetically anymore....and i hate those silver vents.

The megane, IN MY EYES, looks cleaner, more modern and far less......erm.......i dunno....the V6 is a bit Escort Cossie-ish.

And engine.......your making 85bhp/ltr!......megane is 112.5....thats what? almost 28bhp/ltr difference! And youd only need to mildly fart on the megane to get more power than the V6. Not that the V6 engine is bad its quite good, its just that its stuck under a conver, limiting the inlet design efficiency. And to get it upto any respectable power costs a fair amount....most of which V6 owners are not prepared to pay because they just shelled out near 30K for the car. #

And again, i do not hate the V6.....i just have no problem admitting its flaws. Get yours up in the air an have a look underneath.....Its very Heath Robinson.

 

[Andyvalver]

Performance wise they are simular anyway.

225= 0-60 in 6.5 and top speed of 147mph

V6= 0-60 in 5.8 and top speed of 155mph

A new performance chip would sort out the megane. Turbo = easy power.

I do prefer the v6 though. Depends what you want really.

I got the stats from renault.co.uk so no argueing!!

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 29 December 2004


the V6 is a bit Escort Cossie-ish.

And engine.......your making 85bhp/ltr!......megane is 112.5....thats what? almost 28bhp/ltr difference!



I love the Escort Cossie.... awesome little car....

And the V6 is making 182bhp per tonne and the Megane only 162bhp power tonne same as a 182...... thats what? almost 21bhp per tonne difference!

of course the Megane 2 ltr engine makes more per litre, its forced induction for christ sake verse NA....doh

we could go on all day like this if you wish?,

lol

Simon.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by Andyvalver on 29 December 2004


225= 0-60 in 6.5 and top speed of 147mph

I got the stats from renault.co.uk so no argueing!!

No arguments here, you have just proven that the Megane 225 is as fast as a 182... in a straight line only though...lol



Simon.

 

[BenR]

Exactly my point....FI against a big capacity NA. Easier to get power out of....and one of the reasons its a better car.....Because your certainly not going to pay for any of the proper V6 tuning kit are you.....i openly admit that it is very expensive......but what can you do.

Its ok....i dont own a V6 or a meg, so im the only unbias one here....lol.

We can settle on the meg then...done, brill.

*quick, somebody lock this thread!*

 

[HellFire]

Quote: Originally posted by SimonV6 on 29 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 29 December 2004


the V6 is a bit Escort Cossie-ish.

And engine.......your making 85bhp/ltr!......megane is 112.5....thats what? almost 28bhp/ltr difference!




I love the Escort Cossie.... awesome little car....

And the V6 is making 182bhp per tonne and the Megane only 162bhp power tonne same as a 182...... thats what? almost 21bhp per tonne difference!

of course the Megane 2 ltr engine makes more per litre, its forced induction for christ sake verse NA....doh

we could go on all day like this if you wish?,

lol

Simon.

ok then, lets do that. V6 timed to 60 runs for example are 5.8 best. 225s timed to 60 runs 6.1 at best that a paltry .03 secs difference. spend a few hundred £££ and see 260bhp. 0-60 and 0-100 reduced quite a lot. v6 is heavy as fook for the size of it.

btw i like the v6, just puttin some spin on this interesting topic. dont lock it.

this is great, better than "what induction kit"

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 29 December 2004


Exactly my point....FI against a big capacity NA. Easier to get power out of....and one of the reasons its a better car.....Because your certainly not going to pay for any of the proper V6 tuning kit are you.....i openly admit that it is very expensive......but what can you do.

Its ok....i dont own a V6 or a meg, so im the only unbias one here....lol.

We can settle on the meg then...done, brill.

*quick, somebody lock this thread!*





If one can afford a V6 in the first place dont you think we can also afford to mod it if we choice too...

but I dont buy any car for it modding potential, if you do then fine, its your choice but a Scoobie or an EVO would be a better choice becasue they look a damn site better than a Megane...lol

We can settle on the V6 then....done, brill.

Now lock the thread if you like..must have last word...lol



Simon

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by HellFire on 29 December 2004


ok then, lets do that. V6 timed to 60 runs for example are 5.8 best. 225s timed to 60 runs 6.1 at best that a paltry .03 secs difference.




and where do you get those times from? and us V6 255 owners are all minted so if it cost a few £ks to mod up, who cares? agree V6 is a bit heavy, as its 25kg heavier than the Megane... alot for a 2 seater, but who cares, cause it can be modded, its the fastest car Renault make and can be faster if wanted...lol

but yeah, if you are on a tight budet get a scoobie or an EVO but not a megane....lol





Simon.

 

[HellFire]

lets just leave it somewhere in the middle. megane is under rated v6 is over rated.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by HellFire on 29 December 2004

lets just leave it somewhere in the middle. megane is under rated v6 is over rated.



where do you get your times from??

or is that coming from your vast experience as either a v6 255 or Megane 225 owner then...lol or does driving a Mondeo qualify...lol

all I really said was the Megane is as fast (in a straight line only) as a 182 (but butt ugly) and the CLIO V6 is the fastest car Renault make (and awesome looking), they are all FACT...lol



Simon

 

[Liam]

Like both cars but if I had the choice and they were both the same price Id go for the V6 on the looks alone.




In fact Id have one over ANY Porsche

 

[SimonV6]

Gotta keep this thread going as long as possible, as me banging on about my own car is the only way I can get my posts up....lol

Sorry to all for my pigheadness,(ITS ALL IN FUN I CAN ASSURE YOU) but lets face it, if we dont all LOVE our own cars, then why did we buy them?, pulling someones car down without good reason (and money is not one of them) is no way to make friend...ROFLOL

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL, my daughter is calling me to watch tonights DVDs, we are having a HORROR night....lol

Simon.

 

[miketheman2k]

I have the disabled mk1 version and I think its great. Its not quiet, spacious, comfy and forgiving like the megane. Ben, of course youre going to hate them, they must really mess up your day having to improve what is a totally flawed project, but hey, thats your job! Having said that, you can make more money doing V6s than plugging in a laptop to unleash 40bhp more in an Megane.

 

[HellFire]

yea guess so, ive sold the mondy btw. but ive been a passneger in a 225 and it was very quick, faster than a 172 once on the trot. autocar timed the 225 in 6.1 secs thats where i got that one from but it makes sense.. a wrx 225 with its 4wd does 5.7-5.8 to 60 and it weighs about 50kg- 70kgs more, so add another near half a second for FWD traction issues and its clearly possible to get 6.1 in fact in the real world side by side if traction was good on a dry day there would be little to separate a wrx, v6, 225, 147gta, FFRS etc.. all aimed at each other.

the V6 weighs 1400kgs

the megane weighs 1375kgs

torque is very influencial in standing start accelaration too as bhp is usualy peak power that doesnt come on till later.

v6 300nm torque

megane 225 300nm torque

all figures from Renualts offical site. the only reason they quote a 6.5 to sixty is to keep insurance down and make the car more reachable than the v6 i.e 182 quoted at 7.0 to 60 (people on here know its around 6.8 or less) where as the wrx is a mighty grp 19ins the 225 is grp 17.

the v6 is Group 20D < !

so v6 has 30bhp more but the same torque yet weight 25kgs more also. on the road there is no difference and 260bhp + is easily attainable. Factor in all the other goodies you get (tonnes of cool features) and @ 15.5k for a new car not 24k or 27k the megane is a better buy.

THE END.

 

[SimonV6]

Just to tell you that my bro has a Scoobie WRX and its no match for my V6 255? maybe he is just a slow driver...lol thats why hes now after an Sti version....lol

The Megane still looks like sh*te to me though, doesnt matter how fast you think it is...roflol

now back to my DVD....



Simon.

 

[jongsr4]

Who was this racing driver in the first post? i have quite a few connections in racing circles, i may know them

 

[Brazo]

A couple of points a 172 would hand a megane its arse on aplate around a track........let alone a second gen v6.

But perhaps the point that people are missing...if Renault sport said to you, you can have £27k or £20k are you really going to spend three pages discussing it?

 

[vee6]

i have to jump to the defence of simon here ..poor bugger is defending all the vees here , ok yes its a big heavy car but it has street presence real presence. It stcks to the road like glue and is a real hoot in the twisties . you definitely come out the other end with a big smile on your face .And for those who say that it is impractical ... agreed but impractical cars litter the roads ..
TT roadster .. 2 seater , mr2 .. 2 seater , lotus exige... 2 seater , z3,4 i can go on . TT roadster 30K ish ,Z4 30k , Lotus 27K ... do you bat an eylid at any of these ???

When production stops on the clio the nose diving prices will stop, anyone who wants to own one will have to buy second hand. And the fact that there arnt that many on the road means prices that will hold ( somebody mentioned the escort cossie ... have you seen how much you have to pay for one of those ?!?!?!?!?!?!).

 

[Funkyjahooner]

My opinion is thus....

Given the choice of having either being given to me free id take the Megane.

If i was buying.....neither.

 

[TheRoninV6]

LMAO yup my V6 is w**k then.

 

[cliotuRS]

Quote: Originally posted by TheRoninV6 on 29 December 2004

LMAO yup my V6 is w**k then.

tis a giggle, but a pointless overexpentiture based on looks methinks.

wrxs are heavy as described earlier.. 4wd is great for launch stats but do people really think a 300+hp m3 that can do same 0-60 can outrun it upto even a ton, of course they can. so my point is.. the wrx is a heavy beast just usefull for wet and great initail launches.. the megane is great 0-60 6.1 and weighs less than both wrx and v6 so therfore it is equal in power terms.

so what if it looks nice . if thats all that matters then buy an alfa.

btw ^^^ funny topic keep it going @ least people are interested in this hehe.

its tongue in cheek the whole v6 concept. a bit like "can it be done" well of course but if you want a good price to performance ratio look elsewhere.. i.e can a 172/182 be converted to 4wd well "can it be done" "well of course but if you want good price to performance ratio look elsewhere"

the v6 is an experiment, a funny lab rat with a limp.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 29 December 2004

the megane weighs less than both wrx and v6 so therfore it is equal in power terms.

No sorry but that wrong, the Megane has the same power to weight ratio as the 182 (but not so good as cornering from the road tests I have read) and they both have 20bhp less (power to weight) than the V6 255. the simple FACT is that the V6 255 is Renaults Fastest production car at the moment, period.


If money is ALL youre concerned about then get something else, if you want the worlds ONLY, RWD Mid-Engined NA Hatchback with huge exclusivity (only 200 Mk2s in the UK) simple.

Simon.

 

[TheRoninV6]

I recon CraigV6 just wrote that b****cks to get a reaction out of you simon After that thread from a week or so ago Dont rise to it.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by Funkyjahooner on 29 December 2004


Given the choice of having either being given to me free id take the Megane.



you must get to spec-savers real soon, your eye sight is going....lol

also if you do prefer the Megane then how stupid to get one free if you could get a V6 255 free too, because you could the sell the V6 255 and make more money...DOH



Simon.

 

[cliotuRS]

Quote: Originally posted by SimonV6 on 30 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 29 December 2004

the megane weighs less than both wrx and v6 so therfore it is equal in power terms.

No sorry but that wrong, the Megane has the same power to weight ratio as the 182 (but not so good as cornering from the road tests I have read) and they both have 20bhp less (power to weight) than the V6 255. the simple FACT is that the V6 255 is Renaults Fastest production car at the moment, period.


If money is ALL youre concerned about then get something else, if you want the worlds ONLY, RWD Mid-Engined NA Hatchback with huge exclusivity (only 200 Mk2s in the UK) simple.

Simon.

but as most petrol heads forget its the torque that pulls a car. so for example a remapped diesel i.e cupra ibiza does 0-60 in 6.0 or less and yet has only 200hp ! ! sooo the thing to remember is that the megane has exact torque figures but weighs less. where s the 182 has oly 154+lbft the megane is in the 200s

muhaha

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by TheRoninV6 on 30 December 2004

I recon CraigV6 just wrote that b****cks to get a reaction out of you simeon After that thread from a week or so ago Dont rise to it.



Yeah you are proberly correct, he knows I can not resist the tempation....

I must say though that at least I am consistant, where as he seems to change his mind more than a woman, only a few weeks back he said this about his V6, and I quote.



"I would never under any circumstance part with the V. Keeping it in totally standard form until it gains classic status."



Simon.

 

[cliotuRS]

looks are good on the v6 (I WILLIAM HILL BET THIS WILL MAKE 6 PAGE @ LEAST) but they dont count for a cars performance read what i said above. how the hell could a 27k v6 beat a 20k megane with a £300 remap upto 260bhp and 400nm torque for evey induction or zorst the megane could gain 20hp in £ to performance ratio. you cant win on performance so only looks..

btw do you think a decat 260hp 2.0T twin scroll mitsubishi turbo Renault meganeRS sounds sh*t ???? no way.



still a interesting post.com

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 30 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by SimonV6 on 30 December 2004

its the torque that pulls a car.




Well that not strickly true is it, or all diesels would be walking over petrol cars and all racing cars would be diesel and that is simply NOT the case, but lets not turn this into a diesel thread now too please because my 2 biggest hates are Meganes and Diesels...lol



Simon.

 

[cliotuRS]

dont forget to read above simonv6s last post. haha were the only two still awake and we have been arguing this for hours lol.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 30 December 2004


looks are good on the v6 (I WILLIAM HILL BET THIS WILL MAKE 6 PAGE @ LEAST) but they dont count for a cars performance read what i said above. how the hell could a 27k v6 beat a 20k megane with a £300 remap upto 260bhp and 400nm torque for evey induction or zorst the megane could gain 20hp in £ to performance ratio. you cant win on performance so only looks..

btw do you think a decat 260hp 2.0T twin scroll mitsubishi turbo Renault meganeRS sounds sh*t ???? no way.



still a interesting post.com





There you go on about money again, money is NOT an issue with me...if money had been an issue I would have bought something cheaper (but not a diesel or Megane).

Std for Std the V6 255 is better looker and performer than a Megane 225...period. bbut I do aree that a turbo is cheaper to mod, if MONEY is your problem??

The V6 255 is still the fastest production car Renault make, FACT.

We need a Megane 225 driver to turn up at the Big V6 meet and see how many V6 255s it can beat on the track, would be very intresting indeed.

Simon.

 

[stusV6]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 30 December 2004

dont forget to read above simonv6s last post. haha were the only two still awake and we have been arguing this for hours lol.





Nah nah.................Im still here..................and still say the Vee rocks eh

Cya Stu