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To be fair, it's not far off the 172 cup spec. No air con, no leather, no keyless entry etc. Losing ABS is hardly gonna knock much weight off. I see it more as the starting spec 197. If you let other models in the range have the cup suspension, it's gonna take some shine off the cup model.

Dead easy, have a seach there's a guide somewhere.

Wasn't having a dig at your choice Lee, was just talking about the article in general. I had a new 182cup when they came out, which wasn't exactly a popular choice!

Love that argument. If my opinion doesn't agree with yours, it's not valid as I obviously can't afford one. Ok:S .

Can you do whole dash conversion? How much, how long to do etc?

1.6% weight saving according to the article! Why the hell anyone would put up with a naff interior, no air con etc for that type of weight saving is beyond me. Unpainted side strips:dead: .

Drive them both, get which you prefer.

To save weight? Surely there's bugger all difference in weight between air con and climate? Think it was more likely to keep costs down, to off set the cost of the suspension.

Love the sound!

Size of 300 hot dogs!

What difference do the sportlines make? Had them on my 182cup, but as it was lower than a 172 anyway I imagine these make more of a difference?

In a straight line, a new s3 would tear a 197 a new one! Isn't it ~15s to 100? On a twisty back road it will be closer, but no chance in a straight line.

Wasn't there a pic a year back of a Trophy with a trailer on the back?

Check out the old dear in the 1st pic "Yeah, dem vortex generators on me roof is wicked"

I went for the garmin 250, 115 notes on amazon and full european mapping.

Brake wear figures are normally bs, took mine for a service the day after Fred had fitted new pads and discs, to be told they were 50-60% worn and would need replacing at the next service!

What killed it for me is when they tested the 197 against the Cooper S, Corsa VXR, and the Ibiza Cupra, and they all pulled away from it. I don't care if a hot hatch isn't the quickest, but thats ridiculous.

Those surveys are flawed, most people have much higher expectations of an Audi than a Honda, so they mark more harshly as a result.

Why spend 15k on a car that still has the bulk of it's depreciation to do? Buy a V6 at that price, fuel bills will be higher but the lower depreciation will more than offset that. Or a 350z, Golf GTI etc etc.

Driven a 197 a few times. Feels a lot more of a grown up car, I (my opinion) feel it's got too much grip, so you only notice how good the chassis is when your absolutely caining it. It needs a more powerful engine, it's a bit like a Boxster (in that it's under-engined/over chassised), ie the...

One on ebay's not a r27, standard seats.

Saw a Ferrari 360 last night, dirtier than that. Had more respect because he's actually using it! Looked f**king mean.

Pa!!! You can't buy a vee till I have, your only allowed to buy cars that I've had!

Don't buy a Vee Riz, you'll look like Noddy with your weird sit forwards driving position.

Bull! How old is Paul Newman, he still races.

Yeah, Vantage (my dad's), but I get to play with it!

Aston's do seem to lower the tone.

Cheers:). Looks good.

Still can't find it:(

Any pics?