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St-r-ewth. I thought the 160/wheels would be about 185 at the fly.....which would be about right for 167 std. I thought losses would be around 15%..... Cant say where Skip Brown were coming from, then....... Im not bothered, though - cos its the way it drives that matters. Its quick, and...

St-r-ewth. I thought the 160/wheels would be about 185 at the fly.....which would be about right for 167 std. I thought losses would be around 15%..... Cant say where Skip Brown were coming from, then....... Im not bothered, though - cos its the way it drives that matters. Its quick, and...

160bhp at the wheels (Skip Brown RR) K & N Induction kit Superchip Devil exhaust system (without cat, for testing) Thats for a Pug 306 Rallye...but I thought it might be interesting to compare.... Gav

160bhp at the wheels (Skip Brown RR) K & N Induction kit Superchip Devil exhaust system (without cat, for testing) Thats for a Pug 306 Rallye...but I thought it might be interesting to compare.... Gav

OK, the CTR *looks* like an MPV, but there aint that much room in the rear. Its OK, but if you compare it with, say, a Scenic (a proper family car), theres just no comparison. Luckily, I have a Scenic for the wife & kids.......and I should be swopping my 306 Rallye for a Cup. As soon as I can...

Boot space on a 172 is utter rubbish for a family...especially if young kids. It would have to be the Focus or CTR. Personally, between the two Id have the Focus, but thats mainly because I hate the overlight steering of the CTR. If I was buying a family motor, I wouldnt get a Clio. Definitely...

OK, the CTR *looks* like an MPV, but there aint that much room in the rear. Its OK, but if you compare it with, say, a Scenic (a proper family car), theres just no comparison. Luckily, I have a Scenic for the wife & kids.......and I should be swopping my 306 Rallye for a Cup. As soon as I can...

Boot space on a 172 is utter rubbish for a family...especially if young kids. It would have to be the Focus or CTR. Personally, between the two Id have the Focus, but thats mainly because I hate the overlight steering of the CTR. If I was buying a family motor, I wouldnt get a Clio. Definitely...

Sorry for late reply - just got back from Monza. Won the Top Gear compo to go and see Ferrari testing!! Yes - Ts & Cs say that if youve asked for a pack of cards by post - just send an SAE to them - then one or a few of these addresses goes in the draw. I only managed 15, with about TWO...

Sorry for late reply - just got back from Monza. Won the Top Gear compo to go and see Ferrari testing!! Yes - Ts & Cs say that if youve asked for a pack of cards by post - just send an SAE to them - then one or a few of these addresses goes in the draw. I only managed 15, with about TWO...

Aha! Inside information....best of luck, mate! Im a NPN guy myself..... Gav

What do you mean - 1 in a 100 chance? Shell say....."In the event of no winning claims being received by the 13th September 2002, the Promoter reserves the right to randomly select a person from the lists of both Optimax customers on one day at 2 randomly selected participating Shell Service...

Aha! Inside information....best of luck, mate! Im a NPN guy myself..... Gav

What do you mean - 1 in a 100 chance? Shell say....."In the event of no winning claims being received by the 13th September 2002, the Promoter reserves the right to randomly select a person from the lists of both Optimax customers on one day at 2 randomly selected participating Shell Service...

OK Rich.... Black Rallye, May 99 (T reg) 50k miles MOT till May 2003 Lovingly looked after (!) - apart from stone chips here and there, but none through to the metal. Lowered 35mm - springs at front, torsion bar at rear K & N 57i filter E-Tech Strut brace (you actually wouldnt believe the...

Indeed - trouble is, once I get it into my head I want to change.....I want to change NOW! Or else Id wait and import myself. Got my feelers out in Holland and Belgium, but at present theyve no idea when it might be introduced. By the time Ive gone to Spain (although I havent checked to see if...

HEAR HEAR! Well said, that man!

Always game for a laugh......I just phoned up Motorpoint Burnley and they really dont expect any Clio Cups - "its a limited edition, probably a main dealer only..." Ho hum. Back to the thumbscrews with my Renault dealer.....unless.....YOU know different! Gav

OK Rich.... Black Rallye, May 99 (T reg) 50k miles MOT till May 2003 Lovingly looked after (!) - apart from stone chips here and there, but none through to the metal. Lowered 35mm - springs at front, torsion bar at rear K & N 57i filter E-Tech Strut brace (you actually wouldnt believe the...

Indeed - trouble is, once I get it into my head I want to change.....I want to change NOW! Or else Id wait and import myself. Got my feelers out in Holland and Belgium, but at present theyve no idea when it might be introduced. By the time Ive gone to Spain (although I havent checked to see if...

HEAR HEAR! Well said, that man!

Always game for a laugh......I just phoned up Motorpoint Burnley and they really dont expect any Clio Cups - "its a limited edition, probably a main dealer only..." Ho hum. Back to the thumbscrews with my Renault dealer.....unless.....YOU know different! Gav

....and I always thought the 172 weight was 1059kg. But, yes, the brochure says 1021kg for the Cup. Personally, I think its lighter. But thats just me - awkward to the end....... That and considering the power to weight of my Rallye.....leads me to believe the Cup weight is 1059-89kg. Who...

Not quite.......torque to weights very important. Its that figure that makes the Cups take-off so impressive. Torque gets the car moving in the first place. But I would agree - if the std 172 can be so quick, once run in, then the Cup will be even quicker. Im not often impressed by cars...but...

Yorkshire, please! Cheers

....and I always thought the 172 weight was 1059kg. But, yes, the brochure says 1021kg for the Cup. Personally, I think its lighter. But thats just me - awkward to the end....... That and considering the power to weight of my Rallye.....leads me to believe the Cup weight is 1059-89kg. Who...

Not quite.......torque to weights very important. Its that figure that makes the Cups take-off so impressive. Torque gets the car moving in the first place. But I would agree - if the std 172 can be so quick, once run in, then the Cup will be even quicker. Im not often impressed by cars...but...

Yorkshire, please! Cheers

Sorry - I *meant* to say; Difference in std 172 to Cup = difference in old 1.8 16V to Williams

Hi guys - just a quick one. I wouldnt necessarily disagree with the last comments....but....my 172 test was a good test drive, over roads Im familiar with in my (modified - 160 brake at the wheels, as per Skip Brown) Rallye, and I drove it as I would my Rallye. Comparing my Rallye, to that 172...