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Get a 182 if you want decent economy. The 197 and 200's guzzle.

I thought Seat had a little play with the roll bars and springs to make them handle better? A remap brings them to life doesn't it?

I thought they were pretty decent for handling? Well compared to the MK4 Golf anyway. How did you find the 197 after the 182? A mate of mine went back to a 182 after his 197 as the 197 just didn't feel quick enough.

Is that with the wind behind you? I thought they did 35mpg tops.

With you 100% on that. I wouldn't buy the new RS Clio. I'd buy the ST simply because hot hatches should be 3 door and manual. Some say Renault lost their way a bit after the 182 but I don't agree. The brakes and handling of the 197/200 are terrific.

What are the old Fords like compared to the 172 Cup in terms of handling etc? I'm talking about the XR's and RS Turbo's.

I think the Phase 2 172 could be firmer. The 172 Cup is very good out of the box. Renault seemed to sort that issue out with the 182 Cup suspension.

Just pure snobbery. We all know the French make the best hot hatches haha. I'd probably have a Cup next time, simply because there is less electrical to go wrong. I think they'll appreciate nicely too.

How do you mean the original product? The 172/182 in standard form or the ST 150?

I completely agree. A few of my mates said 'Ohh it's French, it'll fall apart, should have got a Civic' bla bla bla'. When it did break which wasn't very often, the parts were cheap and easily available. Not the case on the German cars.

Simply because they are French. A lot of people won't touch a French car because 'they are hassle'. Some people don't like how small they are but I must say I loved my 172. It was great when I wanted fun and it was comfortable to sit in on the motorway when needed. I've got an E90 320d now...

That's one thing I did notice about the 197 I had a go in. It didn't really have the 'speed thrill' my 172 had. It was doing the same speed but as it was a bigger car, it didn't feel it. Think that's what makes the 172/182's even more fun. I guess Renault really did stretch every last ounce...

Right I get ya. Is there a reason why the Clio 197's are noticeably more thirsty than the 172/182's?? I was always under the impression it was the gearing as they seem to rev quite high.

Think you're right. Not all of them though. The Cups and Trophy will appreciate. The 172's and 182's are great because apart from the tax, which is ridiculous IMO they are cheapish to insure, they are fun and more impressive is the MPG. My old 172 used to easily do 42mpg + on the motorway...

Yeah spot on. 0-100 there is pretty much nothing in it between a 172 Cup and a Type R but out of 4th and into 5th in the Clio is where the Type R really seems to pull away. What differences could Renault have made to the gearing? A 6 speed box would have destroyed the fuel economy wouldn't it?

The Type R is quicker top end and it does show eventually. 6th gear really helps them.

Yeah I thought that! Why I didn't put a claim in with the council I don't know! So £40 per wheel is a reasonable price? What is the best way of shipping them as I think the post office would frown at me wheeling them in haha!?

I'm in the process of trying to sell my old PH2 172 wheels. I can't find the locking wheel bolts for 2 of them. One is damaged, not sure if it can be fixed? One has been kurbed but still in decent condition and the others are mint. How much are these worth? .

It's not a Cup it's a standard PH2 172. It's had a little scrape on the front bumper but the rest of the car is in good condition.

Pearl black.

With all the bits on i'd let it go for £600 as I just need it gone. It will move but I'm not sure how far you'd get in it.

I'm just sorting my paid membership out so I can get a good idea of what they are worth and then I will get back to you. Cheers.

The unfortunate thing is I have no where to store - apart from on the road and that would mean it sitting there with no insurance. The rear wheel bearing is shot too. Got a genuine Clio 182 front splitter for it too. Was just wondering how much my bits and bobs are worth as there is no way...

Gave my 172 a blast earlier and noticed a little time after something was wrong. It started to run really rough and there was a loud clattering noise coming from the engine, it stinks of petrol too. Tried to pull away from a junction and there was no power at all. Popped it down to my mechanic...

My auto lights starting working again too which is a plus.

I took the 3 black relays out and they were covered in lime scale and grime. Cleaned them up and it fired straight up. Not had a problem since.

It's done it again today. Had to bump start it. Reckon it's the starter motor sticking?

Just been out and it has fired back up again, no problem. Weird this is. Is the relay obvious to spot when I open up the box? Cheers.

It starts up if I bump start it. Starter motor dead?

Just jumped in my 172 to go out and it won't even turn over. I changed the battery last year. It did the same on Friday and after holding the key in the ignition to on it started up eventually. Any idea what it could be?