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I'm no longer arguing about fwd vs rwd, I don't need to as at least one other person agrees with me, that's good enough for me. Instead I'm wondering why you would apply the handbrake and power at the same time.... If it's to drift then RWD cars are even easier, you just step on the power and...

+1 they're s**t

so people keep saying.....

Learn to count, c**t

If price is the deciding factor then yeah great, you get what you pay for I guess

You're closer to my point than everyone else, these sort of cars tend to handle badly. I had no idea the clios were that much better. However, just cos they are the best FWD cars doesn't mean they are all that amazing

Compared to what? They handle fantastically compared to a bus. It's all relative

Read some reviews from people that know what they're talking about

The original post asked what we don't like on clios, I gave my opinion, I can't believe you people are trying to tell me what MY opinion is

Hmmm let me call up all the F1 teams and tell them they need FWD cars as RWD is a waste of time apparently

I wouldn't bother I give up, it's my opinion and thinking I'm a c**t ain't gunna change it

As you begin to move forward the weight shifts to the back of the car making the front end go light and the wheels loose grip. If the driven wheels are at the back the weight pushes down onto the wheels giving more grip.... I can'tmake it any simpler than that

And what you're a chav with his first mid-sized engine?

I'm sorry I forgot you guys don't like being reminded that there are better cars in the world

Experience doesn't mean sh!t it's simple physics, you only have so much grip on a fwd car so a big engine is pointless. If you think your 1*2 is good try a real car with RWD you'll be suprised

Yeah it's unuseable, you leave all your rubber on the road when you pull away, plus you can't go any faster than the speed limit anyway so unless you got on track days there's no point IMO If it was RWD then the weight shifts backwards as you pull away giving MORE grip not less

Modified suspension?

It's nothing personal to clios, I don't like any car with unuseable power and loads of understeer. I've seen so many 'red-topped corsas' wrapped round trees in my area

Big engines, why have a 2.0 in a hot hatch. 'Look at me in my FWD car, I can't put any power down and I understeer like a b**ch' yeah very good, thanks renault. Rear engine is good though :P

There's enough room to put half the wheel in but then there'd be no shocks lol :P

It is a heap of sh!t but for what it cost me Im not complaining. Im scrapping it after a year anyway

It will be before I drive it anywhere It will be even lower eventually (might have to slice the front springs up) Just wanted to check how low I can go before putting it on the floor

Thanks for that very constructive post, my car now looks better....

Like those dirty old citroens? lol that won't be too much lower after I get some 15's on there

70mm

With the micras we had a problem with lowering more than 30mm, the wheels both tipped to the right. Any problems like that with the clio or do they stay straight? Need some shorter shocks now, I had to lean on the hub to get the shock bolt back in

Yeah, I've been way busy just recently so not touched the car, not driving it btw as no insurance so no worries about the battery falling out lol

How much lower then?

Erm thanks.... I think..... I can't do any proper mods as I have a budget of zero :(

There's 2 reasons there's no ditance shots, the paintwork needs some touching up and the front is awaiting some lowering springs. I'll get some full car shots at a later date, just showing how low the back is....