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my first car was a mk3 gsi 8v 115bhp and i was well impressed how it performed for a 9 year old car, the new astra turbo sounds nice on^paper but i saw one on a motor show and thought the leather recaros looked so cheap it wasnt woth the money to buy one.

thanks for your relpies so i suppose that renault doesnt offer anything what i want :( well i now got my [cough] Saxo[cough] at -55mm and i dont have any problems in using it every day, but the build quality is just so poor i cant stand it anymore, just went to look at the172 yesterday evening...

just wondered if you could get a suspension kit for the 172 from Renault Sport? or do you have to let them fit an aftermarket one? cheers;)