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Kieron I know what you are saying about the looks thing but its the driving experience i would be interested in but each to his own. If it was looks you were after you would not buy a 172/cup you would go get a Hyundai coupe but thats my opinion. Geoff B

Did Clarkson not say show the clio something difficult (meaning corners) and it surrenders which is typical of the french. For the money you would be better of with an Evo 8 FQ300 or a Prodrive STI which both would destroy the v6 on any road in any conitions. Geoff B

Get yourself a test drive in a civic type-R you will not be dissapointed. I test drove a mini cooper s, 172, focus 170 and Type-r and there was no contest.Performance is awsome with the sweetest gearchange (no reaching down away from steering wheel between seats, some day other manufacturers...