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Dont know what kinda CTR you had driven Robfenn but they have bags of grip, then are very predictable on the limit and for the more advanced driver they are very good for lift off oversteer for thoses who dare. Yes it took me a while to learn the car as the steering seems to be dull but really...

No seriously thats why its called a r500 its 500 bhp per tonn.... it puts out about 240 bhp or something.... but is light as feck....

Well you can all think what you like but official lap times put the cup behind the CTR in second place. Plus im a good driver not a pussy like in that video, he was not even trying!

You get me on brands hatch against your Clios and I will show you why you need a bigger car.... Its the high speed corners not town centre shopping roads your wifes drive on... know what I mean

Yeah well... Im 25 and a bit of a nutter.... If it aint going fast enough for some life off over steer then its not fast enough.

I wanted a discussion here thats why..... See Ben H - A CTR is more arrodynamic than a Clio..... Its nothing like a VAN. lol Yeah lunchtimes are good for this..... Phillip you know what i mean... I would get my wife a nice little clio, just right for a few bags of shopping.... quite nippy...

Course you can you got a Clio ;) hehehe only kidding

I just dont see the bread van thing.... or the postman pat.... :confused:

Well it was RR at that.... It should have been more but it was a V hot day!! The super chip is suppose to give 12 bhp alone. They are 197 Bhp standard. The jap spec ones are 215.....

This so called bread van is better than a girly clio... small cars for people that cant park. Shopping cars for the wife.

Ive got an induction kit tested to give 6-7 bhp. Superchip and a magnex exhaust.... Had it RR at 219 but it was a warm day. Why is that so funny Robfenn??

Just been reading many many discussions about CTRs and Clio Cups..... I have never ever been beaten by a Clio Cup.... They are quick but not refined. I raced one up country roads and straights and no chance at all. They seemed plagued by faults and generally cheap cars... I personally would...