ADSL to Fibre Querry, Help Needed

[Geddes]

Where i use to live it's got ADSL broadband through the phone line with the white filters in 4 rooms. I'm likely to move back there soon to have Fibre broadband installed. But have questions.
My router was in my bedroom along with my Sky, PC and Playstation and 1x white filter. 1x white filter was in another bedroom up stairs, 1x filter in the living room downstairs and 1x filter in the dining room where i think is the main socket for the line connection.

If i do move in, the Sky will be in the living room down stairs, i'm now not bothered where the router will be located just as long the PC and Playstation will be hard wired with no long trailing wires everywhere. I'm not sure if the Sky will need to be hard wired too?

I'm looking to get Plusnet fibre broadband in. Can the engineer sort out wall sockets that has 2 ethernet wires on it in each room that has that sort of connection as their is only 1 ethernet wire on it at mo. Say if the router is down stairs in the living room next to the Sky box and the router is down stairs in the dining room, could i still have my PC and PS4 hard wired with a ethernet cable coming from the wall socket to the devices or does it not work that way?
Hope this all makes sense, thanks

 

[sbridgey]

I highly doubt the engineer will install ethernet ports for you.

 

[botfch]

Bit confusing what you after.

The engineer will replace your main socket with a new fibre broadband one and that's it.

They probably could do the rest but it will be a fair bill on top.

 

[Advikaz]

I'm an I.T engineer. Cover anything from servers to telecommunications & networking in the corporate sector.

I don't know much about sky installlations etc but I doubt they'll go around putting cat 5 ports in left right and centre. I'd imagine you'll get one port and anything beyond that will be extra..

It may turn out expensive though mate so be warned. I charge £85 for the first half hour and £165 every hour after that not including parts.

In all honesty I'm not sure I'd want a sky engineer or alike doing this work anyway. They often lack the finess you'll be after to do a tidy job in your home.

My opinion anyway.

 

[botfch]

+1 not sky but I once watched a guy from BT fix a cable diagonally across the middle of a wall rather than go around the edge, like any sane person would.

 

[DrR]

lol at actually thinking the engineer would do that for you.

They'll make the Internet work at where ever the phone socket it comes into the house.

When you switch electric providers would you ask them to wire in a new light for you?

 

[Geddes]

I don't know much about this sort of thing.

Thanks people. from what you posted i got more understanding. Just to clarify, there's a phone wall socket in the living room, dining room and upstairs in a bedroom. Could the engineer install a double wall socket for the ethernet and phone on each wall in those rooms mentioned? Or is a big and expensive job. If it's going to be a clart on and expensive i'll give it a miss and i'll just use Wi-Fi for my PC and PS4

Thanks people

 

[DrR]

He's not going to run an Ethernet cable to each socket through all the walls? That's a massive job.

 

[Advikaz]

Your best bet would be to phone their customer services and see what their standard is matey

Wiring ports in around a home for example is a time consuming job, you can use wifi repeaters and achieve the same results
However anyone that works in I.T will confirm how unreliable they can be.

Phone them up bud, I've got two adsl ports in my place and the BT engineer replaced both..

 

[sbridgey]

I'd recommend using powerline adapters to an ethernet switch in your bedroom. It'll be more reliable than WiFi and cheaper than installing new ports.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01BECPIMC/?tag=cliospnet01-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000FNFSPY/?tag=cliospnet01-21

 

[Advikaz]

I'd recommend using powerline adapters to an ethernet switch in your bedroom. It'll be more reliable than WiFi and cheaper than installing new ports.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01BECPIMC/?tag=cliospnet01-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000FNFSPY/?tag=cliospnet01-21

I've found these to be equally as unreliable tbf buddy

We use net gear ones and they are a constant pain in my arse lol

 

[sbridgey]

I've found these to be equally as unreliable tbf buddy

We use net gear ones and they are a constant pain in my arse lol

I've been using mine for years, never had a problem.

 

[botfch]

I think your confusing the Ethernet and Dsl plugs they look very similar.

Dsl plugs goes from the phone socket (+ filter) to the router.
Ethernet ports come out the back of the router and plug into computers, consoles, TVs etc.

The phone plugs you have in the other rooms are dsl and can only be plugged into a router. To have Ethernet you would have to run new cables to each of those sockets.

 

[LeeRS]

I'm an I.T engineer. Cover anything from servers to telecommunications & networking in the corporate sector.

I don't know much about sky installlations etc but I doubt they'll go around putting cat 5 ports in left right and centre. I'd imagine you'll get one port and anything beyond that will be extra..

It may turn out expensive though mate so be warned. I charge £85 for the first half hour and £165 every hour after that not including parts.

In all honesty I'm not sure I'd want a sky engineer or alike doing this work anyway. They often lack the finess you'll be after to do a tidy job in your home.

My opinion anyway.

£85 for half hour.
Im in the wrong trade. Most sky engineers i see are all bag heads aswell.

 

[Advikaz]

£85 for half hour.
Im in the wrong trade. Most sky engineers i see are all bag heads aswell.

I'd rather stick a cactus up my japs eye than get in to sky or anything like that.

To be honest the majority of small issues can be sorted within half hour mate.

Good when I get a right b*****d of a networking issue that takes hours :tongueclosed:

 

[LeeRS]

I was just thinking if you had to do a normal 7.5 hour day. raking it in.
Need an apprentice? im good with cable ties.

 

[charltjr]

Powerline all the way if you don't want to use Wi-Fi. Got four of the things now and they're great. I went with the Solwise ones and never had a problem.

Get them from Amazon and if for whatever reason they don't play ball with your wiring you can just send them back within 14 days no questions asked. They don't work so well in some properties. It's all down to the condition, length of run and routing of the house wiring and also the use of surge suppressors and RCDs can bugger them up too although that seems to vary on a case by case basis.

These days it's not likely you'll get an engineer out for the install at all, unless the phone socket in the property is really old they use filters for fibre connections too.

 

[Advikaz]

I was just thinking if you had to do a normal 7.5 hour day. raking it in.
Need an apprentice? im good with cable ties.

I work 9-5 mate

Usually do between 2 & 6 jobs a day which I organise/prioritise depending on difficulty.

Does mean I travel a lot though, I live in Kent and did Suffolk and Peterborough on Thursday. Spend a lot of time in London but some jobs take 5+ hours. I'd say absolute minimum every job is half hour. Most averagely are around an hour and a half to two hours.

Do get a few gucci jobs now and then though, so a week ago I spend three days solid clocked on at a job.

Lavely jubbly

 

[LeeRS]

As said, im good with cable ties.

 

[Advikaz]

As said, im good with cable ties.

Ahh but can you operate duct tape?

 

[LeeRS]

The mrs seems to think so, havnt heard her since last week anyway.

 

[Amos91]

@Geddes The main thing is Plusnet won't even send an engineer anymore, their router has a built in modem and is compatible with standard faceplates (with adsl filter)...

 

[Geddes]

@Geddes The main thing is Plusnet won't even send an engineer anymore, their router has a built in modem and is compatible with standard faceplates (with adsl filter)...

If the engineer doesn't come out, does the new router know it's going from say 3mbps ADSL to say 65mbps FIBRE , what does the modem do anyway?
Also if the main line socket is in the dining room, could I change it into the living room and also have the router in there too where I'd like the new sky box to go?

 

[charltjr]

Yes, it'll be fine. All the changes will be made at the exchange and/or in the kerbside box that serves your property. In the simplest terms when you download information the modem converts the analogue signal on your phone line to digital data that the computer can read, and does the reverse when you are sending information back out.

You can have the master phone socket moved, but you'll have to pay for it and to be honest there is little practical benefit. There's nothing stopping you running a cable from the master socket to wherever you want to site the router, something like this would do the job although obviously you'll need to get the right length:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009RKFK3G/?tag=cliospnet01-21

There might be a minor drop in speed if you use something like that, but it's unlikely to make a huge difference.

 

[iain187]

Put the router on the master socket and use home plugs if you have an aversion to wireless

Done.

 

[Geddes]

I've scrapped the idea of having additional ethernet ports around the house. I've still got ADSL and looking to get the Fibre Extra in a month. At the minute the plan is for the master socket to stay down stairs in the dining room, to have the router upstairs still and have a cable running from router to my room for the PC or PS4.
What happens to the old ADSL cables in the house when i upgrade. Do they stay the same or will they become obselete?

 

[Darren S]

+1 not sky but I once watched a guy from BT fix a cable diagonally across the middle of a wall rather than go around the edge, like any sane person would.

Probably took the literal term of minimising distance of the cabling, a little too seriously!

 

[R3k1355]

I've scrapped the idea of having additional ethernet ports around the house. I've still got ADSL and looking to get the Fibre Extra in a month. At the minute the plan is for the master socket to stay down stairs in the dining room, to have the router upstairs still and have a cable running from router to my room for the PC or PS4.
What happens to the old ADSL cables in the house when i upgrade. Do they stay the same or will they become obselete?

What old ADSL cables?

Fibre is usually fibre to the street cabinet, it then runs down normal telephone lines to your house.
The router is usually installed on the primary telephone socket, if you have phone extension lines these can remain but it's best to upgrade the phone socket faceplate to eliminate interference from extensions.

If you have BT come and install fibre they (used to) sort out the phone socket faceplate if it needed updating.

 

[Jonnio]

If you have BT come and install fibre they (used to) sort out the phone socket faceplate if it needed updating.

Upgraded with BT earlier in the year and they didn't do anything inside the house so probably changed that.

 

[Rystar]

Its probably going to be a Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) Installation, where they basically have a DSLAM (Exchange broadband equipment) In a cabinet at the end of your street/cul-de-sac/etc. All they'll do is move the copper pairs from your master socket, from the DSLAM actually situated in the telephone exchange to the one situated a few yards down the road in the new cabinet. Any router that supports VDSL (which is like all of them) will work just as usual utilizing the higher line speed. Effectively all Fibre does is shorten the length of copper between you and the exchange equipment which is where most the losses are.

Fibre to the Home (FTTH) is a different situation where fibres will be run into your premises. This will normally lead BT or Virgin (Believe theyre the only ones offering this service at the moment?) to run a pair or two of fibres into your home, where they'll install a Modem in your house (The modem will take in the fibres and present it to you on a CAT5 Ethernet) which will then plug into any router via CAT5 Ethernet.

TLDR: Typically, no changes are needed at your property, and if there is they'll let you know about it.

 

[Geddes]

This I believe is the master socket in the dining room downstairs.


This is what's in the room upstairs next room to where I am and where the router is. The cable runs through the wall and outside and to the master socket.

There's wall sockets in another 2 rooms in the house and one with a white ADSL filter.

So by what yous been saying the engineer might not pop inside and sort out the cabling even how old it is.

 

[Rystar]

At best they'll stick a new faceplate on the master socket for you, possibly even one that splits the ADSL RJ11 plug like below;

Spoiler: Picture

You've got an awful lot of stuff T'd off the master socket there, you running like 3 corded phones or something?

 

[Geddes]

Yeah the wiring is horrible in the house. That socket might be a good idea like.
Yeah there's 2 cordless phones in the house. One in my room, here's a pic of the socket

The other is in the living room downstairs here's a pic of the set up.

There's a phone which is non cordless in the dinning room right next to the master socket. I believe the white wire runs to the master socket itself.

 

[Rystar]

If you fitted a filter in the master socket itself, you'd negate the need to have all those filters every time you plug something else in.
If you didn't mind splashing out a little, One of those cordless phone setups with three handsets (where you have a master base that plugs into the phone socket and the rest just need a power point) would tidy up most that wiring in an instant. Meaning you could have the base station where the dining room corded phone is. Plonk the other two 'slave' phones roughly near the other cordless ones wherever there's power. Then all you'd need to do is run an RJ11 ADSL Cable up to your router/modem. But thats all getting a bit off topic haha

 

[Geddes]

Well, I've ordered Unlimited Fibre Extra, Plusnet said that they don't send anyone out to the house. I spoke to a few people that had Plusnet and they had someone in, wasn't Plusnet like but s BT guy. I'm expecting it to start around the 5th September. If and when the engineer does arrive I'll mention about that double wall socket and get that in.
At the minute I'm getting around 4-5 Mbps and should be getting around 57-87 Mbps if i remember corretly

 

[R3k1355]

You have abit of a mess of wiring there, you won't get decent speeds unless you sort that crap out first.
I wonder if your current s**t speeds were partially down to a bad install?

It's not a huge task to sort out, few simple tweaks can have a big improvement.

 

[Geddes]

You have abit of a mess of wiring there, you won't get decent speeds unless you sort that crap out first.
I wonder if your current s**t speeds were partially down to a bad install?

It's not a huge task to sort out, few simple tweaks can have a big improvement.

Myself and my family didn't sort out the wiring like. Could myself sort it out or needs to be done by an engineer? How would you clear things up, in simple terms ?

 

[R3k1355]

Could myself sort it out or needs to be done by an engineer?

Yea should be pretty simple, alot of issues are just caused by old dodgy wiring, having the router on an extension and wifi signal interference. Most are simple to solve yourself, although replacing the master socket with a better one is a BT job I think?

How would you clear things up, in simple terms ?

This guide is good
http://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/guide

Replace the old faceplate of the master socket with a filtered one (BT should do this unless you've selected a 'self-install') ??
That will eliminate all the interference caused by running extensions

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Connect the router to the master socket only (don't use extensions or anything)

If you have a filtered faceplate installed you can chuck away the micro-filters
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You can still keep extensions for running the phones, but make sure you don't keep the phones next to the router (they can screw up the wireless signal)

 

[Geddes]

I'll have a good look at the links later on. Thanks fo the information.
To be honest I didn't notice a option to do Self Install or BT Engineer. If I did I would of opted the Engineer. Is their any way of sorting this bit out by going on their website or ringing up?

 

[Geddes]

Went on Plusnet forum and got a couple responses, they don't come out as I only went for Broadband only not for phone as well.

Got my router yesterday and wait for more info when I can set up the router. See what speed I get then and then maybe call out an engineer and pay the call out charge