Engine dropped a valve - what would you do?

[jesus]

Following on from here: http://www.cliosport.net/threads/engine-cut-out-lost-power-whilst-driving.798651/ (see post #13 for video)

I'm told that my engine has dropped a valve and that it's past being able to be rebuilt. I have barely any mechanical knowledge of the engine so I need to know what's actually happened. Has my top/bottom end gone? Both?

Also, I'm wondering what to do next. I 100% want to keep the car so getting rid or breaking it is not an option. I'm thinking either;

- buy a cheap ish 182, drive around in that for a bit and see what the engine is like, if it's any good then drop it in mine and break the car for spares
- find a second hand engine for sale and get that put in
- fork out for a rebuilt/reconditioned engine from somewhere. But where?!

I really want to do this properly but don't have a massive amount of funds to spend on it at the moment. However, I do need a car to get around in so I'm looking to sort it out sooner rather than later. I just don't want to get another engine put in and the same thing happens months or years down the line.

Also, I've read that ph2 172 and 182 engines are different. What are the differences between the two? Something to do with the head?

What would you do?

 

[cs_dave]

Drop a decent secand hand lump into it weekends work

 

[Mr Plums]

Your top and bottom end have gone if the valves have snogged the pistons.

I would buy a good engine off here with belts done and get it fitted, if your belts needed doing then just regard this as your belts being done cost wise.

@bloke got any?

 

[flebay]

Used engine with these http://www.engine-dynamics.com/Products/Product.asp?departmentid=95&id=105924
Not sure if there cheaper elsewhere.

 

[car.crash]

You'll do a engine swap in a weekend easily.
If you can't do it then fire up the bbq and invite people who can.

 

[cs_dave]

^ this was just looking for a location lol

 

[jesus]

Your top and bottom end have gone if the valves have snogged the pistons.

I would buy a good engine off here with belts done and get it fitted, if your belts needed doing then just regard this as your belts being done cost wise.

@bloke got any?

I've been in touch with bloke and just trying to work something out at the moment.

Is it likely to be both the top and bottom end from what you can see in the thread? I honestly have no idea what I'm dealing with. I've seen recon/new top/bottom ends on Pure Motorsport but they are bloody dear. If I need both I'm especially screwed price wise if I go down that route.

^ this was just looking for a location lol

I'm in Manchester :blush:

 

[bloke]

this is what it will look like inside...

 

[car.crash]

Swap the entire engine and use your box and fit a new clutch whilst it's out.
May as well do cambelt and dephaser etc whilst it's out of the car.
Borrow the tools and do it yourself.
It's all laid out step by step in the guides.

 

[jesus]

@bloke

That was at the top of the inlet - will that be part of a valve or something else? Something flew out of the exhaust I think as well, would that be one too? 🙈

Swap the entire engine and use your box and fit a new clutch whilst it's out.
May as well do cambelt and dephaser etc whilst it's out of the car.
Borrow the tools and do it yourself.
It's all laid out step by step in the guides.

My gearbox needs reconditioning too so I was thinking of getting that done at the same time.

Do you mean the guides on here or the Renault ones?

 

[car.crash]

If your box is trashed too then I'd maybe look at a complete donor car.
May not be as cost effective but at least you can try it all and be sure of mileage etc, then sell the bits off the donor. It's long winded but you're looking to do it on a budget.

 

[cs_dave]

Gearbox refurb is worth doing anyway tbf

 

[bloke]

that will be bits of piston.

 

[clioben182]

If thats bits of piston that engine is seriously fubared! Personally id be going recon engine, possibly 2nd hand and rebuild it myself, im fortunate tho as im a mechanic!

 

[jesus]

If thats bits of piston that engine is seriously fubared! Personally id be going recon engine, possibly 2nd hand and rebuild it myself, im fortunate tho as im a mechanic!

I'm only just realising that now! It's weird though as it did a 500 mile round trip that day and performed faultlessly. Then about 4 miles from my house it just went boom :grin:

 

[SharkyUK]

Bad news mate As said already, the entire engine will need replacing. Given that funds are short at the moment I'd just be looking for a decent 2nd hand engine and some mates with the right skills to help you swap it. At least you'll be mobile again.

 

[Matt W]

I always hate reading on here 'just swap out the engine' like it's no big deal.

 

[Djw John]

I'd be buying a donor car that's due belts but has a good box. Good luck

 

[cs_dave]

Where you from @jesus im sure there afew on here that would help

 

[bashracing]

Mr Pistons face says it all

 

[Sir_Dave]

I always hate reading on here 'just swap out the engine' like it's no big deal.

Theres plenty of people on here that would help though. Ive been with @Budgie when hes been pulling things apart & it doesnt look that hard tbh. Clios are a piece of pi55 compared to sodding minis lol

 

[trenace188]

Mines up for sale as spares and repairs has an electrical fault and the body works/shell is knakerd . It's had loads of new stuff in the last year of driving .

 

[cs_dave]

Mines up for sale as spares and repairs has an electrical fault and the body works/shell is knakerd . It's had loads of new stuff in the last year of driving .

Where?

 

[jesus]

Where you from @jesus im sure there afew on here that would help

Manchester mate.

I'd be confident taking an engine out but not fitting the replacement one. If it didn't start for any reason I'd be ringing the scrap man.

 

[cs_dave]

Manchester mate.

I'd be confident taking an engine out but not fitting the replacement one. If it didn't start for any reason I'd be ringing the scrap man.

Tbf taking it out is harder than putting it bk in as your undoing old connectors. Just ask for help im sure loads on here will help im abit south but would prob come up for the giggles lol

 

[Christopher.]

With hindsight i wish i took mine straight to a garage and let them do everything.

But on the other hand replacing on the drive is fairly simple. Im in the process of doing my second swap. Im 2.5hrs in and all it needs now is the driveshafts whipping out, the gear linkage removing and it will be ready to crane out.

 

[Budgie]

It's easy when you know how, and more importantly have the right tools.

If you were local, I'd have lent a hand. 2-3 hours to remove, touch longer to put back.

 

[car.crash]

These cars are knocking on a bit now and many have had a tough life.
Many will either have big bills or the need to learn to fix themselves eventually.

I learned it off the 5gtt as they needed constant fixing after 15 years of owners ragging and tinkering.

Upgrade or get stuck in.