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Suspension Experts



  Clio v6
Any such a thing as proper accredited suspension specialists here in the UK? Is there currently any kind of formal training we should expect and insist on before we deal with these companies?

Is it a case of someone who thinks they know everything about suspension so they must be right?
 
  182>FRS>VX220 now 350Z
I'd say experience is the key issue.

I have read a few books on Vehicle dynamics/chassis tuning and there are some conflicting theories and its a case of determining what is best in your opinion/what works in the real world. I'm no expert but I have worked closely with Leda Suspension and managed to attain a good understanding of different types of suspension systems and basic theories.

There is no such thing as a perfect setup, there are way too many variables....unfortunately we dont really have the resources to carry out test days and see what works best so the customer can only be advised to what could work best on there vehicle.

In the world of scoobies people have tried and tested so many different setups that you can almost pick out what is best for you. Its different for the clio's as not many people have carried out serious chassis tuning and found out what works and what doesnt.

In my opinion chassis tuning is more of an art than a science, listen to the people that have been in business for years and had lots of experience and seen results.
 
  182>FRS>VX220 now 350Z
I've bought suspension from Gmax, Spax, GAZ, Bilstein and Leda....The last two are the only people i'd buy from again. Or maybe Ohlins if i was feeling flush! lol
 
  GDI Demo 182, Rsi Spider
james

Interesting post, its a black art really.... there is some formula... for "good" suspension but there are lots of them and they dont always relate.... to you the owner!

really you have to listen to expereince IMO, guys that have worked in the trade / raced / build lots of road cars etc...

component quality makes a large difference, and them matching the use of the car to the kit and type of handling required.

Andy


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  Renault Clio 182 Trophy
The serious racing world would assure you that it is a science and very complex one at that. For instance unless you know all the tyre stiffnesses, frequencies and slip angle progression, it is hard to model the car's behaviour correctly. But in the real world of saloons, which do their best to disobey most of the rules of physics, the best thing is to go to whoever is known to be most successful. I am a new comer to the Clio world, but not to motorsoort, and would reckon that the top Clio Challenge cars, or or instance in my part of the world there is a very quick Clio Williams doing some hill climbs, would give you a good guide. There are some basic rules, such as make sure that the geometry is set up correctly and if you are using coil overs that the car is corner weighted (with the arbs disconnected) which could save a lot of money. Also if using custom dampers get them tested annually.
 
what you will need to concentrate on is the type of tyre your using and its coefficients. Your suspension will be dictated entirely by what your road tyres require in the ways of weight shift to get them to grip at their optimum.

This completely ignores handling balance, as that is a personal preference, it should be sorted once the baseline workings are set.

Circut, road chassis setup is totally unrelated as what the car 'see's is completely different. Circut can be alot more focused to the type of circut, its bias, surface construction etc etc......it gets complex, and its best to just start somewhere and work backwards or forwards.
 
  Clio v6
Andy GDI said:
james

Interesting post, its a black art really.... there is some formula... for "good" suspension but there are lots of them and they dont always relate.... to you the owner!

really you have to listen to expereince IMO, guys that have worked in the trade / raced / build lots of road cars etc...

component quality makes a large difference, and them matching the use of the car to the kit and type of handling required.

Andy


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One every five years. I won't make a habit of it. :D
 


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