Throttle Body????????

[CHRISK172+]

Anybody seen one of these??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=200144066757&fvi=1

DIY mod or useful??

 

[CUPCRAZY]

I noticed these the other day and was wondering the same thing??

 

[johnc2k]

I saw this aswell, I wonderd if it was a angel tuning job? :quiet:

 

[edde]

Waste of time.

 

[Fred@BTM]

not neccesarily edde, we're testing at the moment

i've seen 9bhp on a mini cooper (same TB)

 

[edde]

not neccesarily edde, we're testing at the moment

i've seen 9bhp on a mini cooper (same TB)

Yep but there T/Bs are famously small.

 

[Fred@BTM]

will if enlarging the throttle body give no gains? then why does it work on the mini??

i'll post the before and after graph on here when we finish it on mine

 

[graham_172]

let me know the figures fred. i'm currently getting mine ported by local jap tuner. he said it will give a good gain

 

[Fred@BTM]

same as ours (but the 172/182 one can be taken out more)

http://www.lohen.co.uk/shop/proddetail.asp?prod=LohenThrottleBody

 

[ben_p]

thought the enlaged body gave no gains? the big think of the GDi boddie

 

[Fred@BTM]

lots of people say no gains, the mini boys have seen gains, so we're gonna try it on the clio and see what happens

 

[Markpw]

I thought the 45 degree angle of the induction elbow was the biggest limitation in gaining power due to the air flow restriction on the 172/182's ?
I heard the OE throttle body's are big enough and capable of taking plenty of power up to 350-400bhp ?
Thats why some people relocate battery and have a less angled induction pipe to get the best gains.

 

[Fred@BTM]

again, you are correct

but its worth a go!

 

[TheJesus]

LMAO at this thread!!! Dear oh dear, looks like everyone is changing their tune now it's been done and proven to be a total myth

Follow the leader girls, and remember, Ben tells you what you 'want' to hear so you wont go to another rival of his... that's called marketing strategy (it's also called other things...). "Throttle bodies, yeah, they will be here in a few weeks"... 8+ months later and still no sign...

aaaah this is priceless :clown: sorry to revel in all the hypocrisy I'm just finding it absolutely hilarous that a well known established company with an excellent proven track record get slated for page after page for actually going ahead and doing it and now that a "parts distributor" says he's going to try it no one really questions it. Anyone played Lemmings before?

 

[Fred@BTM]

it may or may not be a myth, who knows!

 

[ben_p]

LMAO at this thread!!! Dear oh dear, looks like everyone is changing their tune now it's been done and proven to be a total myth

Follow the leader girls, and remember, Ben tells you what you 'want' to hear so you wont go to another rival of his... that's called marketing strategy (it's also called other things...). "Throttle bodies, yeah, they will be here in a few weeks"... 8+ months later and still no sign...

aaaah this is priceless :clown: sorry to revel in all the hypocrisy I'm just finding it absolutely hilarous that a well known established company with an excellent proven track record get slated for page after page for actually going ahead and doing it and now that a "parts distributor" says he's going to try it no one really questions it. Anyone played Lemmings before?

i can see the funny side, LOL

just to note i have the boddies though on mine,

 

[TheJesus]

it may or may not be a myth, who knows!

I know...

It's amusing and somewhat strange that no one questions you on this though Fred, these are the same experts that stated in no uncertain terms whatsoever and infact quite literally insisted that it will fail. From a purely objective view wouldn't you expect to see MarkM and his merry little group stating that this makes no difference after spending 10 pages or so slagging someone else off for doing it, even though they have gone and done it to put the theory into practice? I think it's great you guys are doing it, I honestly do, as it's stupid for people sat at a PC who know nothing to say it wont work, basically because someone they trust has told them that. I suppose seeing it in the flesh helps, but I'd love to know how that would be coped with by the detractors. Maybe eyes closed and hands over the ears whilst screaming "LALALALALALALALALALA!!!" and just ignoring anything real before retiring to the sancturary of their computer room possibly? All I know is that the irony of all this is killing me :evil:

Ben p - aah well that's pretty good, at least you have them I suppose. Just make sure you dont let things wain and stay on the case. I'm being deadly serious too, dont be messed around mate

 

[Fred@BTM]

i think john, thats life, you get people who don't like people

i'm not interested in "the past"

when i worked with "said company" the conversion that was developed was used in conjuction with cams, so any potential gains from the ETCC throttle body were masked

the conversion that they contiued to do when we parted company, we dropped as we feel its too much money (when compared to the r-sport conversion)

but even thats a fair chuck of cash

there needs to be something else on the market thats affordable to the masses that works, so we might as well give this a go!

 

[TheJesus]

Fred, all I can honestly say is respect and fair play to you, at least you are trying it and giving it a go rather than just standing on a soapbox quoting google and filling people's heads full of rubbish that sounds good. If it works great, if not, then you have tried it at least and are in a better position to comment. I just found it hilarious people prefer to believe the idea that it wont work based on personal feelings for other people and refuse to believe the fact it has been done and proven a working item. No need to take my word for it though, a certain 240+bhp car with it tends to shout that bit louder, but after all the nonsense on the previous thread it's amazing to see those voices have disappeared into the wilderness.

It should make more power regardless of other mods if done correctly, whether it's worth the development time, effort and money as well as worth it to the customer is purely subjective too. It's just an interesting cheaper alternative to ITB's imo

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'd love to know the spec of that car!

 

[Dash]

:race:

 

[TheJesus]

it's one of those "if I told you I'd have to kill you" type things lol

nah, it's not really my place to disclose the full spec, but it's on the larger ITB, running cams that DONT require solid lifters iirc and stand alone. Was RR'd at Mass, which a few people say slightly over read, but seem to be about inline with the norm tbh. On a Dastek RR it would probably be closer to 260+bhp and the daft thing is... i'm not even exagerating lol.

It's been featured already and is due a few more, the full spec is being put in there afaik. Put it this way, below 120mph it makes mine look slow, and I have zero problems pulling away in every single gear from a 320+bhp Evo... having been out in it I can honestly say it's easily the fastest Clio I have ever been in. Both cornering and straight lines

 

[Johnc172]

Would a mini throttle body be a direct replacement for the renault part then? Would it be plug and play no mucking about, take renault off, plug mini in, away we go??

 

[theduck]

Would a mini throttle body be a direct replacement for the renault part then? Would it be plug and play no mucking about, take renault off, plug mini in, away we go??

No

 

[Johnc172]

a straight forward answer for once, i thank you please.

 

[Meek_racing]

How come the end cover is re-designed? Do they benefit much? Oh, and is the I/D of the TB just machined or ground also?

 

[MarkM]

From a purely objective view wouldn't you expect to see MarkM and his merry little group stating that this makes no difference after spending 10 pages or so slagging someone else off for doing it, even though they have gone and done it to put the theory into practice?

The way your always talking about me makes me think you secretly like me .

I dont see that Lohen make any great claims. Better throttle response and 5bhp on a modified car. Maybe as Edde says the point of restriction in a mini intake system is an undersized throttle body.

I still havent seen any proof that an enlarged body makes any difference on a clio though.

 

[Markpw]

So is it worth having the single larger body for the amount it costs or just pay the extra for the ITB's?
I did speak to Jenvey and Omex a while back and they said the single body wasnt worth it for the cost.
How come they cost so damn much for some ITB's and wiring looms etc ?
I know what the package comes with its just that £3 1/2 k + sounds a little over inflated.
But i guess with my cams etc they would make a hell of a difference !!!

 

[MarkM]

I did speak to Jenvey and Omex a while back and they said the single body wasnt worth it for the cost.

Interesting.......

What mods have you got at the minute?

 

[AliasOmega]

Simplest answer would be to take a standard car, put it on the RR, then fit the larger polished TB, RR it, then fit a air filter, then RR it..

and so on..

 

[Markpw]

: AWT cams and manifold, ITG panel with silicone elbow and better CAF, KTec zorst (cat back) and AWT remap

 

[drhowser]

Simplest answer would be to take a standard car, put it on the RR, then fit the larger polished TB, RR it, then fit a air filter, then RR it..

and so on..

why do you have to make things so difficult.......:rasp:

 

[MarkM]

: AWT cams and manifold, ITG panel with silicone elbow and better CAF, KTec zorst (cat back) and AWT remap

I have the same as you but including OMEX and single body cable throttle.

Yours will be as powerful as mine but you wont have the throttle response. IMO your next step should be ITBs. Although if you want to stage the costs you could get standalone and SB cable throttle then ITBs at a later date. You only lose the mapping costs doing it like this. ie you need a single body map and ITB map.

PM me if you want more details.

 

[AliasOmega]

Well these threads pop up every few days, need to just sort this out for once.

 

[artur69uk]

it may or may not be a myth, who knows!

Thats the spirit Fred & yozzasport gang, it seems that most people here wont try something just because of what other people have told them! I must take my hat off to you and your team for not being scare fo trying new things and for proving with them RR print outs etc (not just promises and cheap talk). I bet that if you find there are gains on doing this there will be few people in here offerering this as a part of package even through they all saying it not worth it now..........

Once again well done guys........ I just hope that some people start opening there eyes and stop falling for these con artists crap.

 

[MarkM]

Simplest answer would be to take a standard car, put it on the RR, then fit the larger polished TB, RR it, then fit a air filter, then RR it..

and so on..

why do you have to make things so difficult.......:rasp:

Whos going to pay out of there own pocket to prove it though?

I have a spare 1*2 FBW throttle body if someone wants to get it ported and polished. I cant believe that one on ebay is up at £72 already on an exchange. There must be alot of work machining it?

 

[AliasOmega]

Why are ITB so expensive, why cant you use a motorcycle throttle body.

Were not talking GSXR 1100 or so, as this would only be 250cc per cylinder, im talking things like the 500-600 single cylinder 4 stroke engines.

Have a few manifold created with a few rubber boots, clamp the carbs on, obviously a 4-1 throttle cable or some kind of rigging, but i would think for about a carb, it would be about £40..

You obviously have the old CR500, KX500 etc, as examples.

Maybe a project for someone..

 

[AliasOmega]

why do you have to make things so difficult.......:rasp:

Whos going to pay out of there own pocket to prove it though?

I have a spare 1*2 FBW throttle body if someone wants to get it ported and polished. I cant believe that one on ebay is up at £72 already on an exchange. There must be alot of work machining it?

Supply and demand, only lists one at a time, and all this hype on here, of course people are going to be bidding.

Check his feedback, he sold a RS Turbo one for about £25 a few weeks ago..

 

[Markpw]

I know that our little clio's are rapid but i really must have a go in a 240 brake monster ! I find it hard to believe that another 40 ish brake on top of mine and it will pull on a 320 brake Evo though !

 

[TheJesus]

From a purely objective view wouldn't you expect to see MarkM and his merry little group stating that this makes no difference after spending 10 pages or so slagging someone else off for doing it, even though they have gone and done it to put the theory into practice?

The way your always talking about me makes me think you secretly like me .

I dont see that Lohen make any great claims. Better throttle response and 5bhp on a modified car. Maybe as Edde says the point of restriction in a mini intake system is an undersized throttle body.

I still havent seen any proof that an enlarged body makes any difference on a clio though.

I cant wait to see the GDI engine spec. When are we going to find out and see a power run on a dyno dynamics RR?

I must admit Mark, I do really like you... so much I'd like to invite you over to see my wood chipper :rasp:

Where's all the confident bravado where you state catagorically in no certain terms that this wont work anyway, why the change of tune and quietness? Let me guess, Ben's not on MSN and there's no mention of those three initials you love to hate?

Reference back this or the other thread re: "it's being featured in a few magazines". That should provide you with all you need to know. As for the dyno, I doubt Andy will be listening or pandering to your request, as jumping through hoops to satisfy you isn't high on the agenda If Yozzasport's Cup made 240bhp or whatever it did on Mass or Omex's rollers is good enough for you then so should this... unless there is a double standard here... surely not?

Markpw - it was mine that pulled on the Evo, but Andy's single ITB one is quicker still. Also being on ITB's is a bit more than the peak gain of whatever the increase over cams is, like the 140lbs/ft at the wheels from 2500rpm as well as a much much bigger power band.