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Views on Powerflow
- Thread starter George16v
- Start date
have heard so many complaints about powerflow they just weld cheap pipes together to fit your car no r&d at all has been done
quality varies from place to place they cos alot and produce some stupid designs
imho wouldnt use them even if you paid me but thats just me ignore me and carry on
Nippy white cup
erm... arent orbisound exhaust £900+ tho?
yes but mines the same was designed for racing time and effort has gone into making it unlike poweflow who get a couple of bits of pipe any size back box they feel like sticking on an a silly tailpipe and weld them together with the skill commonly associated with chimps
look at it this way
supersprint
A TRADITION OF EXCELLENCE BUILT UPON QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE
Supersprint Inc. was formed in 1955 with the objective of designing and building the highest quality exhaust systems in the world. That objective has been the driving force behind each Supersprint product from the first system built to those being developed for the future. When you purchase a Supersprint product you can be assured it is the highest quality available.
SUPERSPRINTS COMMITMENT TO QUALITY INVOLVES EVERY PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. SUPERSPRINTS PRODUCTS ARE DESIGNED FOR PERFORMANCE.
Every Supersprint system has been researched, designed and tested to insure additional power and to enhance overall performance. All design is validated by extensive testing which includes hours of dyno testing on Supersprints Maha 4-wheel chassis dynamometer. In fact no other exhaust manufacturer, race team engine testing department or car manufacturer has the performance evaluating experience of Supersprint.
The Supersprint dyno performs over 1,000 test runs a year on a full range of automotive brands. We evaluate each manufacturer’s sports car models and all engine versions available.
"This includes; 4 cylinder, V8, V10 and V12 engines with peak power ratings ranging from 4,000 to 9,000 RPM. Engines with 2,3,4 & 5 valve head designs, turbochargers, superchargers are tested as are normally aspirated, factory stock, and heavily modified engines. From the diminutive 54 hp. Fiat Cinquecento Sporting, 490 Hp modified “fire breathing” Dodge Viper, to the 4 wheel drive Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 liter rally race cars, Supersprint has experience designing and building the worlds highest quality exhaust components."
We at Supersprint are often called upon to provide closed-door dyno testing for the worlds top racing teams. Private teams and factory teams alike depend upon the extensive knowledge of Supersprint to prepare for, world class, rally and road race events.
All this experience provides the Supersprint staff with a database of powerband information unequaled in the industry. Information that contributes to the design and production of each and every product we produce.
SUPERSPRINT DESIGNS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION.
Requirements of stock low volume street engines are much different from high revving, high horsepower race engines. Road race applications are also much different from off road applications. Supersprint treats each situation individually to produce the best possible part for the intended use.
Custom road racing applications require hand made, thin wall stainless steel tubing to produce the highest and most useful power from the lightest system. For demanding off road use Supersprint utilizes heavy gauge steel for resistance against rock and gravel impact. Whether for street or race use, Supersprint researches, designs, tests, and builds for real world power and long lasting, quality construction.
Unlike the countless competitors Supersprint has seen come and go, since 1955, Supersprint does it’s homework on the dyno, the street and the track. Our extensive knowledge has been earned on thousands of cars around the world.
This knowledge provides Supersprint with the uncanny ability to extract power from engines when other exhaust manufacturers can only produce higher noise levels. Supersprint products are developed around scientific knowledge not assumptions.
Other manufacturers are happy with larger diameter tubing, restrictive silencer design, increased noise levels and chrome tips to lure customers.
But our commitment to performance and quality prevents such an approach. Instead we at Supersprint design and build around each engine’s performance characteristics. Exhaust flow rates and velocity are dramatically increased by Supersprint designs while still retaining factory OEM diameter tubes. We know it is actually easier to loose horsepower through misuse of larger diameter tubing and badly designed silencers.
Each component from header to tailpipe is accurately tuned and suited to each particular engine by Supersprint engineers.
A critical balance between lower back pressure level and flow rate must be ensured for optimum performance. When Supersprint develops a system for a new car, hand built prototypes are made and extensively dyno tested, rebuilt and re-tested.
Combinations of tubes and perforated cores with outside diameter ranging from 32mm (with 2mm. 3mm, and 5mm increments in size) up to 76mm are utilized for best results. Nothing is assumed. Only modifications that create proven performance in mid-range torque, and top end power increases, qualify for final production. There is no make-do engineering at Supersprint.
The quality of a Supersprint system also includes meeting sound emissions restrictions. All Supersprint street legal systems meet the stringent requirements of TUV testing for quality, design, construction and sound emissions.
Supersprint recommends the use of complete systems (header, center & rear muffler) to achieve the highest performance gains.
SUPERSPRINTS DESIGN QUALITY IN ENHANCED BY QUALITY CONSTRUCTION.
The final Supersprint product reflects the pride of the entire organization. Each system is manufactured to exact industry leading standards of excellence. When you look at a Supersprint product you can see the attention to detail, the quality materials, precise welds, rather than crimped seams, and the superb finish. It’s obvious Supersprint produces one of the best exhaust system in the world. You can truly see, feel and hear the quality, now and for years to come!
SUPERSPRINT RACE SYSTEMS
For weekend sport driving sessions at the race track or the occasional club race, catalytic converter replacing silencers and tubes are available for even more performance. These systems carry all gas metering devices just as OEM parts do and can be combined with our straight center tubes (no silencers) for race car sound and performance.
The Supersprint race systems (Group A) with “oversize tubes” are recommended exclusively for use on race cars, or street cars equipped with heavily modified engines (larger engine displacement, extreme cam timing, turbo conversions, and more). These systems are not legal for street use, but can be easily replaced with original parts for everyday driving.
powerflow
is some bloke who has a franchise yes he can change an oil filter but is that really enough to design and build an exhaust ????
Well I have cancelled the appointment, there is no rush.
Ideally what I want is a jap style box, but I want it to be good quality and stainless steel or titanium (or titanium look), something that will last.
So if any of you know where I should be looking, please help.
Nippy white cup
Nice unbiased opinion then!Quote: Originally posted by dogmaul on 14 January 2004
yes but mines the same was designed for racing time and effort has gone into making it unlike poweflow who get a couple of bits of pipe any size back box they feel like sticking on an a silly tailpipe and weld them together with the skill commonly associated with chimps
look at it this way
supersprint
A TRADITION OF EXCELLENCE BUILT UPON QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE
Supersprint Inc. was formed in 1955 with the objective of designing and building the highest quality exhaust systems in the world. That objective has been the driving force behind each Supersprint product from the first system built to those being developed for the future. When you purchase a Supersprint product you can be assured it is the highest quality available.
SUPERSPRINTS COMMITMENT TO QUALITY INVOLVES EVERY PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. SUPERSPRINTS PRODUCTS ARE DESIGNED FOR PERFORMANCE.
Every Supersprint system has been researched, designed and tested to insure additional power and to enhance overall performance. All design is validated by extensive testing which includes hours of dyno testing on Supersprints Maha 4-wheel chassis dynamometer. In fact no other exhaust manufacturer, race team engine testing department or car manufacturer has the performance evaluating experience of Supersprint.
The Supersprint dyno performs over 1,000 test runs a year on a full range of automotive brands. We evaluate each manufacturer’s sports car models and all engine versions available.
"This includes; 4 cylinder, V8, V10 and V12 engines with peak power ratings ranging from 4,000 to 9,000 RPM. Engines with 2,3,4 & 5 valve head designs, turbochargers, superchargers are tested as are normally aspirated, factory stock, and heavily modified engines. From the diminutive 54 hp. Fiat Cinquecento Sporting, 490 Hp modified “fire breathing” Dodge Viper, to the 4 wheel drive Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 liter rally race cars, Supersprint has experience designing and building the worlds highest quality exhaust components."
We at Supersprint are often called upon to provide closed-door dyno testing for the worlds top racing teams. Private teams and factory teams alike depend upon the extensive knowledge of Supersprint to prepare for, world class, rally and road race events.
All this experience provides the Supersprint staff with a database of powerband information unequaled in the industry. Information that contributes to the design and production of each and every product we produce.
SUPERSPRINT DESIGNS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION.
Requirements of stock low volume street engines are much different from high revving, high horsepower race engines. Road race applications are also much different from off road applications. Supersprint treats each situation individually to produce the best possible part for the intended use.
Custom road racing applications require hand made, thin wall stainless steel tubing to produce the highest and most useful power from the lightest system. For demanding off road use Supersprint utilizes heavy gauge steel for resistance against rock and gravel impact. Whether for street or race use, Supersprint researches, designs, tests, and builds for real world power and long lasting, quality construction.
Unlike the countless competitors Supersprint has seen come and go, since 1955, Supersprint does it’s homework on the dyno, the street and the track. Our extensive knowledge has been earned on thousands of cars around the world.
This knowledge provides Supersprint with the uncanny ability to extract power from engines when other exhaust manufacturers can only produce higher noise levels. Supersprint products are developed around scientific knowledge not assumptions.
Other manufacturers are happy with larger diameter tubing, restrictive silencer design, increased noise levels and chrome tips to lure customers.
But our commitment to performance and quality prevents such an approach. Instead we at Supersprint design and build around each engine’s performance characteristics. Exhaust flow rates and velocity are dramatically increased by Supersprint designs while still retaining factory OEM diameter tubes. We know it is actually easier to loose horsepower through misuse of larger diameter tubing and badly designed silencers.
Each component from header to tailpipe is accurately tuned and suited to each particular engine by Supersprint engineers.
A critical balance between lower back pressure level and flow rate must be ensured for optimum performance. When Supersprint develops a system for a new car, hand built prototypes are made and extensively dyno tested, rebuilt and re-tested.
Combinations of tubes and perforated cores with outside diameter ranging from 32mm (with 2mm. 3mm, and 5mm increments in size) up to 76mm are utilized for best results. Nothing is assumed. Only modifications that create proven performance in mid-range torque, and top end power increases, qualify for final production. There is no make-do engineering at Supersprint.
The quality of a Supersprint system also includes meeting sound emissions restrictions. All Supersprint street legal systems meet the stringent requirements of TUV testing for quality, design, construction and sound emissions.
Supersprint recommends the use of complete systems (header, center & rear muffler) to achieve the highest performance gains.
SUPERSPRINTS DESIGN QUALITY IN ENHANCED BY QUALITY CONSTRUCTION.
The final Supersprint product reflects the pride of the entire organization. Each system is manufactured to exact industry leading standards of excellence. When you look at a Supersprint product you can see the attention to detail, the quality materials, precise welds, rather than crimped seams, and the superb finish. It’s obvious Supersprint produces one of the best exhaust system in the world. You can truly see, feel and hear the quality, now and for years to come!
SUPERSPRINT RACE SYSTEMS
For weekend sport driving sessions at the race track or the occasional club race, catalytic converter replacing silencers and tubes are available for even more performance. These systems carry all gas metering devices just as OEM parts do and can be combined with our straight center tubes (no silencers) for race car sound and performance.
The Supersprint race systems (Group A) with “oversize tubes” are recommended exclusively for use on race cars, or street cars equipped with heavily modified engines (larger engine displacement, extreme cam timing, turbo conversions, and more). These systems are not legal for street use, but can be easily replaced with original parts for everyday driving.
powerflow
is some bloke who has a franchise yes he can change an oil filter but is that really enough to design and build an exhaust ????
BRAND OF SYSTEM
CAT REMOVED?
POWER GAIN+/LOSS-
TORQUE GAIN+/LOSS-
Powerflow
NO
+4.4bhp
+1.4 ft/lb
Ashley
YES
+4.4bhp
+1.2 ft/lb
Magnex
NO
+3.2bhp
-1.4 ft/lb
Scorpion
YES
+3.2bhp
-0.4 ft/lb
Janspeed
NO
+2.9bhp
-0.5 ft/lb
Devil
YES
+2.9bhp
-0.5 ft/lb
Milltec
NO
+2.7bhp
+1.9 ft/lb
Mongoose
NO
-1.4bhp
+0.3 ft/lb
Nippy white cup
Ive just ordered my plastic windows and mudflaps now!
Nippy white cup
Im only pissing about m8
I agree that there a much better exhausts around but from personal experience Ive never had a prob plus it sounds really nice as well (IMO)
Cheers
Chris
Rob,
Need to update my profile, Cup was written off because steering went, was a real f**ker. Anyway have a clio 172 mk1 now, supposed to be nearly as fast and much faster 0-60 than mk2. Well so far would have to agree with that. Also I have full racing suspension on this one, bilstein,(i think, guy before me did it) which is great, handling is much better than the cup, So just need to stri pthe thing out now and make it as light as possible.
Dog
By Jap style I mean a 3.5" straight cut off tail, or similar
Oh I see, coolio.
Well I am quite happy with the performance of my car after fitting the Taipan 2 Kit from the Cup so just after something that looks and sounds good, Performance is just a bonus.
Plus I live in Westminster so only get into 3rd gear about once a month lol. let alone 4th and 5th.
I wish there were more options, there is a place near me that builds custom stainless steel exhausts but for the one I want it costs about 300+vat and that is not even fitted, where as powerflow one is like 200inc Vat fitted.
i mean ........how much are reno gunna put into r&d on an exhaust for a williams/172/cup????????????
when iv had my zorsts fitted at top gear in burnley the new pipe was bent to exact same spec as the original......bit of oe pipe taken off, s/s pipe bent at same legnth/angle etc as oe one...........so y do they need to do r&d?, reno have already done it for them lol
ok so supersprint have done their homework, but i put a straight thru s/s centre pipe n mated it to a scimiter gte s/s backbox on my mini.....made loadsa noise and actually went a lot better too.....for the princely sum of a stick of weld lol...............a straight thru zorst sould make these difrences no matter which co. makes em................apart from peco poss janspeed.....anyone remember the xr2i aftermarket zorsts???????????
none were as good as the oe 1
this is only 1 example but im sure theres many more.......even janspeed fell into this trap claimin 10bhp+ gains lol
