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Clio 182 Problems the saga continues...

Discussion in 'Faults, Problems & Solutions' started by ccreedy, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    Hi Guy's,
    I've had a few problems with my 182 many of which have been solved by reading the forums but I just want to run the scenario I'm facing with veterans like yourselves and get a second opinion.

    Standard 182 FF regularly serviced, showed an EML which the OBDII reader identified as 'generic multi cylinder misfire' on a single occasion, erased the code, not a peep for months, As we hit winter the EML returned and disappeared less than 2 mins later with no actual noticeable misfire on each occasion.

    Had to do an early start back in January, it was freezing cold, in hindsight, probably made a fatal error by filling up at Tesco's and on the return journey the Car developed a very noticeable misfire and was very angry at low gears / speed.

    The next day my Mechanic and I stripped out the plugs found that one of the 6 month old NGK's looked wrecked, all the others were clean, I already had leads and ignition coil pack, so we swapped them all out cleaned the plug put her all back together, no change, EML for the misfire came on straight away. Looked at the fuel injectors, one was new the other 3 looked rusty and as we removed one of the rusty one's it fell apart in our hands, looks like we found the culprit, no half measures replaced all 4 the next day, new ngk plug for good measure and also replaced the vvt solenoid seal as it was weeping ( thanks to the guys on here for the guides).

    Car was reluctant to fire over, put this down to having had the fuel rail off, but once she was running the engine sounded like a whole new animal, no hunting on idle, just silently running with no warning lights in sight, thought we'd cracked it however....

    She's reluctant to fire over on every first start
    Stall's occasionally when pulling away on an incline
    Can't feel the VVT kicking in, she runs smooth as a nut, but the engine feels like it's undergone a castration.

    With spring around the corner I really want to start enjoying using the car again, I already get enough stick for the car always being in pieces lol, any thoughts on what the underlying problem could be (don't say it's French :wink: )

    Dodgey batch of fuel / knackered fule pump?
    Cranckshaft / TDC sensor ?
    Witchcraft?
    Any Help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    TIA
    Creedy
     
  2. flebay

    flebay

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    This a symptom of using non genuine (magneti marelli) injectors.
    The copies don't come with retaining clips.
     
  3. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    Many Thanks for the tip, you're not wrong the new injectors didn't have the retainer clips, I'll get these swapped out and let you know, I've also ordered a new TDC sensor too as a precaution, looks simple enough to get too.

    Cheers
     
  4. optical

    optical ClioSport Moderator

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    Definitely non genuine injectors.
     
  5. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    that's because it doesn't :wink:
     
  6. JB21

    JB21 ClioSport Club Member

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    Tesco regular fuel I presume, not Momentum 99?
     
  7. VR46-G@Z

    VR46-G@Z ClioSport Club Member

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    Definitely injectors, been there done and experienced that...:up:
     
  8. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    Hi Guy's,
    Just an update as not fully resolved:
    4x Genuine magneti marelli's fitted and she's firing over with very little hesitation and no random stall's when pulling away on inclines etc, idling is the smoothest and quietest I've ever known, again no hunting anymore.
    Was going to fit a new Crank Sensor to find that she's already fitted with the Blue one.
    Just treated her to a bottle of Wynn's extreme petrol clean and near enough a full tank of Momentum 99 but It still feels like she's missing some horses, before the misfire started the car would really push you back in the seat if you put your foot down, and this evening with the help of a playful Ford Owner I was given a good run for my money, but she really didn't want to play. Noticeable 'lumpy' acceleration when putting my foot down in 2nd / 3rd no VVT kick at all.

    Have I missed something obvious?
    Ccreedy
     
  9. Peperami

    Peperami ClioSport Club Member

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    Just drive it into the sea.
     
  10. VR46-G@Z

    VR46-G@Z ClioSport Club Member

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    I had a misfire/underpowered issue years ago... To save beating about the bush I cleaned the throttle body, replaced the spark plugs, fitted Magnecor leads and an Ngk coil pack, cleaned TDC sensor and fitted new injectors... I covered every base and she ran like a dream afterwards, presuming all these parts on yours are ok I can't really suggest anything else that might be wrong... To save guessing I bit the bullet and replaced everything, I can understand why others wouldnt but I like things A1 spot on....:smile:
     
  11. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    again...there isn't one, you're not driving a honda.
     
  12. Niall

    Niall ClioSport Club Member

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    As Carl says, VVT on these is at something like 1800 revs, the 5k 'kick' is just a characteristic of the engine, not a crossover or similar.
     
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  14. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    Cheers for the feedback on the VVT - sorry / Force of habit
    Well this morning I've treated her to a new Crank Sensor & Pre Cat Lambda, again noticed minor improvements to the car's idle, and the laggy / laboured feeling when accelerating feels like it's smoothed out, but still no 5k kick to put a smile on my face, so defeated I decided to give her a clean instead, and I've noticed the button under my accelerator pedal has at some point snapped off or is fully depressed in.

    I haven't noticed anyone really talking about these, is it a standard feature? the previous owner said it is a rev limited bypass button, could this be related to the issues I've been having or am I clutching at straws, if it is a standard feature does anyone have the Renault part number?

    TIA
    creedy
     
  15. MRBILLYUK

    MRBILLYUK ClioSport Club Member

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    Under your accelerator pedal is for when you have your speed limiter set to on , if you depress is i.e. put your foot hard down it overrides the speed limiter.
     
  16. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    That makes sense, cheers, sorry to be a pain but if you or anyone has the time any chance you can snap of pic of what an undamaged one looks like, it'll help me out a lot, I can rule that out as being the root of my problem. The only other issue I can think of is a slightly perished O Ring on the fuel rail connector.
     
  17. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    there should be no 'kick' at 5,000rpm. you should be able to feel a difference if the car is running as it should be but NO KICK. it's just the difference from the car running closed and open loop on the lambda.

    the button under the pedal is just a stop that screws to the floor.
     
  18. MRBILLYUK

    MRBILLYUK ClioSport Club Member

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    I stand corrected about the button lol. But that's how you override the speed limiter by pressing hard on the accelerator @ccreedy
     
  19. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    it does feel like it's pushing on something but it's actually in the pedal assembly.
     
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  20. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    I pulled the carpet lining up yesterday evening and yeah It's just a cap to hold the carpet in, It pains me to say it but despite all bits changed she's still running like a bag of crap, last nights cruise was more stressful than enjoyable lol.
     
  21. bashracing

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    Cam timing ?
     
  22. ccreedy

    ccreedy ClioSport Club Member

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    Hadn't considered it as the lack of performance has only come about after a misfire, she's just done 102k and I am sitting on all the parts needed for a full timing and drive belt change, just not the tools or a willing mechanic lol.
    Might have to look into getting it done.
     

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