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Rob
ClioSport Moderator
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
I'm very suprised you don't like the handling! The car was set up my Mark Fish, and most on here really rate him as one of the best guys to go to for this kind of thing.
RS 172, you seem to want to know the height of everyone's cars, get some coilovers, and then wind them up/down until you're happy.
I'm very suprised you don't like the handling! The car was set up my Mark Fish, and most on here really rate him as one of the best guys to go to for this kind of thing.
RS 172, you seem to want to know the height of everyone's cars, get some coilovers, and then wind them up/down until you're happy.
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Yes you're right ! I've ordered my coilovers and I should receive them the week after next ! however I don't know what size is good to get a good handling and a good look ! so when I see a RS with a beautiful lowering I ask the owner in order to get some advice.
Yes you're right ! I've ordered my coilovers and I should receive them the week after next ! however I don't know what size is good to get a good handling and a good look ! so when I see a RS with a beautiful lowering I ask the owner in order to get some advice.
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Rob, yep mark did indeed set them up.
The fronts are fantastic, turn in is great, and the front feels very planted, but on hard cornering the rear bounces all over the place and feels quite unstable. Kinda thinking it may be due to the rear being wound all the way down, but not sure. Hopefully tomorrow should remedy it I hope. I know Danny never took it on track, and that was where i first noticed it, so it may have been set up differently for the kind of driving he specified?
Have been noticing the exhaust knocking at the front too, and has been traced to either the dogbone or the drivers side engine mount, so will get them checked out too. It's being fully corner-weighted so should be set up to perfection when i get it back
Lastly, I've been talking to a few people about some 'induction' changes, so may well end up going down a certain route in the future
Rob, yep mark did indeed set them up.
The fronts are fantastic, turn in is great, and the front feels very planted, but on hard cornering the rear bounces all over the place and feels quite unstable. Kinda thinking it may be due to the rear being wound all the way down, but not sure. Hopefully tomorrow should remedy it I hope. I know Danny never took it on track, and that was where i first noticed it, so it may have been set up differently for the kind of driving he specified?
Have been noticing the exhaust knocking at the front too, and has been traced to either the dogbone or the drivers side engine mount, so will get them checked out too. It's being fully corner-weighted so should be set up to perfection when i get it back
Lastly, I've been talking to a few people about some 'induction' changes, so may well end up going down a certain route in the future
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Right, car is all done!
Raised the ride height a bit, and found the rear shocks were set up completely wrong. one side was on 10 clicks from soft, the other 23!!!! So sorted that, and also had the car corner weighted whilst I was at it. Now both are done, the car is a completely different animal, and ride quality is a million times better!!!
Also picked up some new tyres................
Right, car is all done!
Raised the ride height a bit, and found the rear shocks were set up completely wrong. one side was on 10 clicks from soft, the other 23!!!! So sorted that, and also had the car corner weighted whilst I was at it. Now both are done, the car is a completely different animal, and ride quality is a million times better!!!
Also picked up some new tyres................
BMW M4; S1000 RR
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Right,
few more updates.
today had the vibratechnics engine mounts fitted, brake fluid changed for AP 600, and some carbon fibre blanks made up for the foglights.
have decided against the seats, as moneys a little tight and gonna get something a little more special in a few months time.
pics:
Right,
few more updates.
today had the vibratechnics engine mounts fitted, brake fluid changed for AP 600, and some carbon fibre blanks made up for the foglights.
have decided against the seats, as moneys a little tight and gonna get something a little more special in a few months time.
pics:
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
I'm head over heels for this car believe me, gonna be trialling some new products on it soon too :rasp:
I'm head over heels for this car believe me, gonna be trialling some new products on it soon too :rasp:
Stagecoach Ticket
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
how much was the seat repair going to cost mate? looked at a few dead sets myself
how much was the seat repair going to cost mate? looked at a few dead sets myself
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Right,
so for the fruits of a days work!
day started by me and my mate Nick taking his focus RS up to X-Sport to have his coilovers setup and the car cornerweighted. Turns out that the whole setup was wayyyyyy to low, and weight distribution was appalling! An hour later, and Nick left very very happy with a car thats handling has been totally transformed!
At the same time I had my TRS tow strap fitted. Thought i'd go a little different to the usual 'Si' tow eyes and run a strap. Like how it looks, especially with the lime green tow sticker (thanks Ady). in the pic you can also see the carbon fibre fog covers. Really pleased with them!
Next, I decided I wanted a change from the Oz F1s that were on the car. Having already bought a set of 888s off me that she needed delivering, clio-girl almost bit my arm off when she got wind of the fact mine were for sale. I want to run some crappy wheels so i can save a few quid towards the Rota Slipstreams that i ultimately want, and turns out she had a spare set of mk1 16v wheels going, so a price was agreed, and today i drove down to Bristol to sort everything out. Tyres were fitted to the mk1 wheels, then the F1s taken off and mk1s fitted. There were a few worries about rubbing issues due to the wider offset, but all turned out to be ok. HUGE thanks to clio-girls other half , Gaz, for helping me sort everything out when i got there
Not content with silver wheels, next stop was Halfords for a few cans of satin black. Not being one for doing things properly, rather than mask the wheels, i cut a 15" circle out of a piece of carboard, laid it on the wheel and sprayed away! Now obviously wheels are far from perfect, but they were dirt cheap and are only temporary so i'm hardly fussed. Havent had a chance to use the 888s in anger as there was traffic pretty much all the way home, but theyre definitely a lot stiffer!
And finally, I'm off to Brands Hatch on Tuesday. Cars ready to go now, helmet on loan, all levels checked, oil changed, brake fluid changed. As some of you know, I'm mates with Matt, owner of a certain business, so I'm doing a little promo work using these rather funky plates
Cue the haters:
Right,
so for the fruits of a days work!
day started by me and my mate Nick taking his focus RS up to X-Sport to have his coilovers setup and the car cornerweighted. Turns out that the whole setup was wayyyyyy to low, and weight distribution was appalling! An hour later, and Nick left very very happy with a car thats handling has been totally transformed!
At the same time I had my TRS tow strap fitted. Thought i'd go a little different to the usual 'Si' tow eyes and run a strap. Like how it looks, especially with the lime green tow sticker (thanks Ady). in the pic you can also see the carbon fibre fog covers. Really pleased with them!
Next, I decided I wanted a change from the Oz F1s that were on the car. Having already bought a set of 888s off me that she needed delivering, clio-girl almost bit my arm off when she got wind of the fact mine were for sale. I want to run some crappy wheels so i can save a few quid towards the Rota Slipstreams that i ultimately want, and turns out she had a spare set of mk1 16v wheels going, so a price was agreed, and today i drove down to Bristol to sort everything out. Tyres were fitted to the mk1 wheels, then the F1s taken off and mk1s fitted. There were a few worries about rubbing issues due to the wider offset, but all turned out to be ok. HUGE thanks to clio-girls other half , Gaz, for helping me sort everything out when i got there
Not content with silver wheels, next stop was Halfords for a few cans of satin black. Not being one for doing things properly, rather than mask the wheels, i cut a 15" circle out of a piece of carboard, laid it on the wheel and sprayed away! Now obviously wheels are far from perfect, but they were dirt cheap and are only temporary so i'm hardly fussed. Havent had a chance to use the 888s in anger as there was traffic pretty much all the way home, but theyre definitely a lot stiffer!
And finally, I'm off to Brands Hatch on Tuesday. Cars ready to go now, helmet on loan, all levels checked, oil changed, brake fluid changed. As some of you know, I'm mates with Matt, owner of a certain business, so I'm doing a little promo work using these rather funky plates
Cue the haters:
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Digging the tow strap matey, how much did that set you back? Cars looking good also!
Digging the tow strap matey, how much did that set you back? Cars looking good also!
Rob
ClioSport Moderator
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Nice job so far. IMO, you're a bit nuts losing the f1's as they owed you nothing, but if it's all in aid of some slip streams, then fair play.
Glad the r888's are doing you well.
Nice job so far. IMO, you're a bit nuts losing the f1's as they owed you nothing, but if it's all in aid of some slip streams, then fair play.
Glad the r888's are doing you well.
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
because in all fairness i wont be doing any more trackdays til next season now i shouldnt think, and the gains to be had from cooling ducts to the brakes is pretty minimal, so didnt see much point really.
have got a spare set of blanks i can hack up if needs be but prefer the look i have tbh
Also just thought i'd mention something that has arisen as work has been done.
the car was set up by Mark Fish a while back, yet a fair few issues have been found along the way!
- rear suspension was ALL the way down when i bought the car. surely this would mean suspension travel would be at its limits and the car would be on the bumpstops most of the time? sure, it looked good, but handling wasnt a patch on what it was once it had been raised 10-15mm
- rear dampers were set completely differently side to side. one side was 30 clicks from soft, the other 15! dont know if this was due to danny or MF, but made it corner well in one direction but not the other
- front dampers were set to stiff, meaning horrendous understeer, again something i dont know if danny would have done
Lastly, though is the slightly odd one! As far as i can tell MF were the last people to remove the suspension on the car. Danny mentioned when i bought the car that the top mounts were the only thing not to have been changed, so bought new ones to replace them with! They had been creaking a little too, so felt it was necessary
on removal of the strut we found the topmounts were UPSIDE DOWN! for how long i dont know, but its the first time i've removed anything since i owned the car, so know its not through any fault of my own.
so now its all been rectified handling has been much improved. Just a few more handling mods to do and then i'll be looking at brakes and possibly a cage
because in all fairness i wont be doing any more trackdays til next season now i shouldnt think, and the gains to be had from cooling ducts to the brakes is pretty minimal, so didnt see much point really.
have got a spare set of blanks i can hack up if needs be but prefer the look i have tbh
Also just thought i'd mention something that has arisen as work has been done.
the car was set up by Mark Fish a while back, yet a fair few issues have been found along the way!
- rear suspension was ALL the way down when i bought the car. surely this would mean suspension travel would be at its limits and the car would be on the bumpstops most of the time? sure, it looked good, but handling wasnt a patch on what it was once it had been raised 10-15mm
- rear dampers were set completely differently side to side. one side was 30 clicks from soft, the other 15! dont know if this was due to danny or MF, but made it corner well in one direction but not the other
- front dampers were set to stiff, meaning horrendous understeer, again something i dont know if danny would have done
Lastly, though is the slightly odd one! As far as i can tell MF were the last people to remove the suspension on the car. Danny mentioned when i bought the car that the top mounts were the only thing not to have been changed, so bought new ones to replace them with! They had been creaking a little too, so felt it was necessary
on removal of the strut we found the topmounts were UPSIDE DOWN! for how long i dont know, but its the first time i've removed anything since i owned the car, so know its not through any fault of my own.
so now its all been rectified handling has been much improved. Just a few more handling mods to do and then i'll be looking at brakes and possibly a cage
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ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
UPDATE!
Sorry for the lack of pics, but they'll be up soon!
Interior - The original interior has been stripped out and sold. Car was stripped to a pretty much bare shell, including carpets and interior plastics.
i bought a Cobra Evolution and Monaco off a user on here along with harnesses, and carbon doorcards from an ebay seller (keep your eyes peeled for a group buy soon). stereo and speakers also removed and replaced with a carbon fibre blank
Having seen the mk1 dash conversion done on a certain track car i'm really tempted to do the same thing in the future
Other plans for the interior include sorting out some sort of custom dash situation and also welding in a harness bar across the rear struts
Handling - since having the car corner weighted its just been a case of setting the damping levels really. fronts are now spot on, rears i still cant quite get right so tempted by replacing them with some revalved konis to get the rear handling i want.
Further to this I now have a spare rear beam that i'm slowly but surely building up with spherical bearings, camber shims (proper ones) and having it fully strengthened. i'm also working on a custom ARB that should aid the rear end even more
Engine - having found the silenced ktec centre section a little too quiet, i went and swapped it for an unsilenced one, and combined with the decat gives a much raspier and louder sound, exactly what i was after to be honest. although for some reason i cant get it to stop knocking no matter what i try!!!! otherwise i need to get a silicone elbow and breather and clean my filter out. happy with the performance so not bothering ploughing money into it
Bodywork - again nothing really happened. Am looking at a carbon hatch but cant justify the cost right now, same goes for a cage, but taking some inspiration from a fairly well known golf i'm tempted to go with the satin black approach
Also acquired a skoda splitter. looks v nice but catches on EVERYTHING!!!!
pics up soon as well as some build pics of the rear beam
as always comments and criticisms appreciated
UPDATE!
Sorry for the lack of pics, but they'll be up soon!
Interior - The original interior has been stripped out and sold. Car was stripped to a pretty much bare shell, including carpets and interior plastics.
i bought a Cobra Evolution and Monaco off a user on here along with harnesses, and carbon doorcards from an ebay seller (keep your eyes peeled for a group buy soon). stereo and speakers also removed and replaced with a carbon fibre blank
Having seen the mk1 dash conversion done on a certain track car i'm really tempted to do the same thing in the future
Other plans for the interior include sorting out some sort of custom dash situation and also welding in a harness bar across the rear struts
Handling - since having the car corner weighted its just been a case of setting the damping levels really. fronts are now spot on, rears i still cant quite get right so tempted by replacing them with some revalved konis to get the rear handling i want.
Further to this I now have a spare rear beam that i'm slowly but surely building up with spherical bearings, camber shims (proper ones) and having it fully strengthened. i'm also working on a custom ARB that should aid the rear end even more
Engine - having found the silenced ktec centre section a little too quiet, i went and swapped it for an unsilenced one, and combined with the decat gives a much raspier and louder sound, exactly what i was after to be honest. although for some reason i cant get it to stop knocking no matter what i try!!!! otherwise i need to get a silicone elbow and breather and clean my filter out. happy with the performance so not bothering ploughing money into it
Bodywork - again nothing really happened. Am looking at a carbon hatch but cant justify the cost right now, same goes for a cage, but taking some inspiration from a fairly well known golf i'm tempted to go with the satin black approach
Also acquired a skoda splitter. looks v nice but catches on EVERYTHING!!!!
pics up soon as well as some build pics of the rear beam
as always comments and criticisms appreciated
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
Just out of interest, but why have you mounted the harnesses there? Surely that would be dangerous in the event of a rear-ender?
Whats wrong with the standard combo of rear seat belt mount and/or isofix point
Just out of interest, but why have you mounted the harnesses there? Surely that would be dangerous in the event of a rear-ender?
Whats wrong with the standard combo of rear seat belt mount and/or isofix point
ph1 track weapon
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
its only short term dave, as i'm getting a harness bar welded in on tuesday. even at their tightest there still seems to be way too much slack in the harnesses (i can move a good foot from the seat) when on the isofix point so i put them there for the time being
adam, cheers, to get the carpet out properly seats need to come out which is a pain should have something up regarding those doorcards later
cheers
Just out of interest, but why have you mounted the harnesses there? Surely that would be dangerous in the event of a rear-ender?
Whats wrong with the standard combo of rear seat belt mount and/or isofix point
its only short term dave, as i'm getting a harness bar welded in on tuesday. even at their tightest there still seems to be way too much slack in the harnesses (i can move a good foot from the seat) when on the isofix point so i put them there for the time being
adam, cheers, to get the carpet out properly seats need to come out which is a pain
should have something up regarding those doorcards latercheers
CLIO PH1 172
Re: Eds ph1 172 - The soon to be controversial project!
i take it you have spoke to them then
and yes im guessing its a seat out jobby o'well only 8 nuts
should be doing this very soon!
i take it you have spoke to them then
and yes im guessing its a seat out jobby o'well only 8 nuts
should be doing this very soon!
Get rid of all the tar, also you can remove the dash and take the passenger airbag out and sound deadening behind the dash. Another 10kg gone by doing that matey, any news on these doorcards?
