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(NOT) Diesel in a 182 - Electrical issues??



Da

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A few of you will be aware of this, but without going into too much detail on here what are the likely implications?

We're not talking £20 worth of oil burner, but potentially contaminated unleaded fuel.

Car is running 'ok' at the moment but has kicked loads of black smoke out the exhaust and had the emissions sensor warning light come on, but that has since been cleared down.

Any one offer any knowledge on the matter?
 
  Better than yours. C*nt.
Re: Diesel in a 182

As has been said, you should be OK. Diesel may upset a couple of bits and worst case if it's still working I'd say lambda/cat may need replacement, but it tends to be much, much worse the other way round.
 
  Evo 8 MR
Re: Diesel in a 182

Just siphon it out?

May need to change fuel filter aswell, not sure.

If you haven't put much in it shouldn't cause any long term damage.
 

Da

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Haven't got a decat, but tbh I'm not too worried about that. If the cat is the only thing to die then I think I'll have got away lightly - needless to say the garage will be paying!

Tom - there was about £5 of 'contaminated fuel' left in when the problems arose, she now has £30 of unleaded in the tank and is running much much better.
 
  Better than yours. C*nt.
Re: Diesel in a 182

What happened, out of interest? You don't seem quite daft enough to do it yourself!
 
Re: Diesel in a 182

If it was my car id pop the fuel line off at the engine, put it into a can and put a live to the fuel pump. Then let the pump run until the tanks dry, and get some fresh fuel in a can and put it in.
 

Da

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Re: Diesel in a 182

Cheers Mike ;)

No, thankfully I am not daft enough to put diesel in my 182, the unleaded I filled up with on Saturday however was contaminated with diesel it seems. Car ran fine, not a murmur until it got right down to the last bit left in the tank.

Diesel 'floats' ontop of petrol I'm lead to believe?
 
M

mini-valver

Re: Diesel in a 182

I'd just throw some Redex or similar in with your next tankful as you've gone way past draining it now since you've used it all. It'll be fine mate, had loads in where this has happened.
 

Da

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Re: Diesel in a 182

Where was this?

Name and shame!

The garage will remain nameless until I see what they have to say about the issue.

Needless to say, it's a large chain and not a supermarket garage.
They have since taken the pump 'offline' so to speak.

I'd just throw some Redex or similar in with your next tankful as you've gone way past draining it now since you've used it all. It'll be fine mate, had loads in where this has happened.

That's very close to what the RAC chap said, a dose of redex to clean all the injectors etc and it'll be ok with a fuel filter change.
 
Re: Diesel in a 182

Been running my BM on contaminated petrol that we have removed from a number of cars for 2 mouth and it's been running well until the last tank full when it started cutting out and misfiring below 3k rpm but back to how it was now it had £30 of petrol put back in it you should be fine if you just keep filling the tank that what we tell everyone that fill's up with below £10

PS not fussed about my BM that's why I've been running it on free petrol :eek:
 

realnumber 1

ClioSport Club Member
Re: Diesel in a 182

Cheers Mike ;)

No, thankfully I am not daft enough to put diesel in my 182, the unleaded I filled up with on Saturday however was contaminated with diesel it seems. Car ran fine, not a murmur until it got right down to the last bit left in the tank.

Diesel 'floats' ontop of petrol I'm lead to believe?

I wouldn't think that should make a difference. It will get mixed about as you drove about will it not?
 
  172 with k-tec sound
Re: Diesel in a 182

omg :eek: i hope ur car is ok daz and no permanent damage fecking garages eh, now wondering if the same happened to me that day outside ur house, black smoke ect, i had just put a tenner in b 4 i got to urs mmmm
 
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Da

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Re: Diesel in a 182

Am pretty confident no permanent damage will have been done, I'm more interested in getting her running right again than worrying about the garage to be honest.

Will definitely be an interesting chat when the manager phones me back though.
 
  S3, Polo
Re: Diesel in a 182

^ +1

I'd have thought getting a garage to admit liability would be a nightmare!
 

Da

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Nobody will get wind of anything, I'm not on a witch hunt towards the garage - hence I haven't named them.

I fully appreciate that getting the filling station to admit liability will be very difficult, but then to be honest this isn't the kind of thing that you would just make up. I have the job sheet from the RAC which states 'fuel contamination' as the reason for the breakdown and I have my receipt for the fuel that I purchased - thankfully.

Will report back on what the manager has to say when we've spoken tomorrow.
 

Da

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Re: Diesel in a 182

Had the car in bits tonight just to check everything over for my own peace of mind really.
Took inlet off, checked coil pack. Checked each and every HT lead - they are all showing roughly the same resistance.
Removed each spark plug and checked - again all showing roughly the same resistance.

Put it all back together and it's still idling as rough as it was before. Fumes from the exhaust are black and stink of fuel. A video...

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  Clio 200
Re: Diesel in a 182

I deal with fuel contamination claims in work and all I can say is good luck on getting anything from the garage.

If they are decent enough though and realise their was a problem they should pay up

if you want any advice mate drop me a pm
 

Da

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Re: Diesel in a 182

Thanks Kenny.

To be honest the garage is secondary at present, my main concern is getting the car running right. Tempted to take it to Renault this weekend for a diag. It'll cost me £80 but least I'll have a better idea as to what, if anything, needs replacing.
 
  alien green rs133
Re: Diesel in a 182

it sounds mint lol

how many miles have you done in the car since??
has it had a good run to get hot etc etc

is it just the idle or is it lacking power elsewhere in the range.

diesel acts like a lube, making the services the fuel had touched sticky to carbon. then things get coked up.
 

Da

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Yeah it sounds good, lol but has no power. Sometimes it will idle fine and accelerate ok and other times it wont idle, just cuts out when I take my foot off the pedal. No power to pull away and kangarooing through 1st and 2nd. Once it's into third though it's generally alright.

The problems first arose on the M60 near Trafford Park and after the RAC man came out I drove it home (about 50 miles) and then just a couple of miles testing it out round my local area.

Diesel has oil in it does it not? I think that may be what's causing all the black s**te, my exhaust tips are filthy! :dapprove:
 
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  alien green rs133
Re: Diesel in a 182

i dout they will find much at renault tbh, diesel is thinker than petrol so it mayb efouling the injectors slighty, but as mentioned theres redex, i feel that after a few tanks of petrol been put through her she will be fine
 
  Dodgy one
Re: Diesel in a 182

My pipes are black and full of shite, generally happens when using peasent spec fuel at shell cira £10, Once the light comes on it misses its tits off until the tems are up. a tank of V cures it
 
Re: Diesel in a 182

FFS don't take it to Renault. They'll tell you it needs a complete new fuel system including tank, pump, lines, filter & injectors, and a new engine just to be safe. Oh and a new exhaust. While you're there, they'll do a free sfatey check and inform you that all your discs and pads need replacing.

Odds are the car will be fine. If you're really concerned then get one of the known specialists to have a look? At least you know their eyes aren't going to roll around with pound signs in the back like a fruit machine when they hear your story.
 
  Pug 205 gti
Re: Diesel in a 182

i'd just keep fillin in up an givin it some beens till it gets low then do the same. it'll be fine, i used to run a few cars on mixed fuel. at least once a week someone would do it in the station next to my old garage. i used to get all the fuel out an stick some in mine an put a few quid of unleaded in it.
 
  Black Gold Trophy
Re: Diesel in a 182

I'd be more concerned about the fueling system and the engine internals, I'd probably do a compression test. Fairly certain it wouldnt do anything to the plugs/leads even if it did then a set isnt going to set you back much.
Definitely wouldn't take it to a main dealer either!
 
  Mondeo TDCI 130
Re: Diesel in a 182

It doesnt sound happy, are you sure its defo dodgy fuel, and not an oxy sensor problem!?

Could just be a coinsidence?? (sp) Is there any local garage you trust to do a diag check without paying renault £80?!

We will check it for you but it's a long drive in a poorly car!
 

Da

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i dout they will find much at renault tbh, diesel is thinker than petrol so it mayb efouling the injectors slighty, but as mentioned theres redex, i feel that after a few tanks of petrol been put through her she will be fine

My pipes are black and full of s**te, generally happens when using peasent spec fuel at shell cira £10, Once the light comes on it misses its tits off until the tems are up. a tank of V cures it

Cheers, makes me feel better but after driving her last night I just want it sorting now to be honest.

FFS don't take it to Renault. They'll tell you it needs a complete new fuel system including tank, pump, lines, filter & injectors, and a new engine just to be safe. Oh and a new exhaust. While you're there, they'll do a free sfatey check and inform you that all your discs and pads need replacing.

Odds are the car will be fine. If you're really concerned then get one of the known specialists to have a look? At least you know their eyes aren't going to roll around with pound signs in the back like a fruit machine when they hear your story.

Thanks, but I use and trust my local Renault dealer and I aint no mug so they wont be ripping me off for any parts. All I want is a diag so I know what I'm facing, any parts that need replacing I will be doing myself.

i'd just keep fillin in up an givin it some beens till it gets low then do the same. it'll be fine, i used to run a few cars on mixed fuel. at least once a week someone would do it in the station next to my old garage. i used to get all the fuel out an stick some in mine an put a few quid of unleaded in it.

This is what the RAC man said but to be honest I didn't want to be doing more harm than good.

I'd be more concerned about the fueling system and the engine internals, I'd probably do a compression test. Fairly certain it wouldnt do anything to the plugs/leads even if it did then a set isnt going to set you back much.
Definitely wouldn't take it to a main dealer either!


I checked the plugs/leads etc for my own piece of mind, not because I thought dodgy fuel would affect them. I just wanted to take them out of the equation - a process of elimination.

It doesnt sound happy, are you sure its defo dodgy fuel, and not an oxy sensor problem!?

Could just be a coinsidence?? (sp) Is there any local garage you trust to do a diag check without paying renault £80?!

We will check it for you but it's a long drive in a poorly car!

Thanks for your invaluable advice Steve, I really wish you were closer as you'd have the car already, but in the state she is I doubt she'd make the near 3 hour journey. :dapprove:

I'm not at all confident that it's the fuel at fault, this is only based on what the RAC man said. Emissions warning light is on now but that's from all the crap being kicked out surely?
Since he reset it on Sunday the light hadn't been on.
I presume you're talking about the pre-cat O2 sensor Steve?

I wouldn't use any of my local garages to be honest, not for a diagnostics anyway. It's booked in at Renault on Friday.

Spoke to the filling station today and they're not admitting responsibility, as expected. Apparently I'm the only customer with any issues and the fuel was delivered to them on the 7th of December.
 
  Mondeo TDCI 130
Re: Diesel in a 182

Thanks for your invaluable advice Steve, I really wish you were closer as you'd have the car already, but in the state she is I doubt she'd make the near 3 hour journey. :dapprove:

I'm not at all confident that it's the fuel at fault, this is only based on what the RAC man said. Emissions warning light is on now but that's from all the crap being kicked out surely?
Since he reset it on Sunday the light hadn't been on.
I presume you're talking about the pre-cat O2 sensor Steve?

I wouldn't use any of my local garages to be honest, not for a diagnostics anyway. It's booked in at Renault on Friday.

Spoke to the filling station today and they're not admitting responsibility, as expected. Apparently I'm the only customer with any issues and the fuel was delivered to them on the 7th of December.

Hmm, see what they say, it sounds very much like it could be a pre cat 02!

Have had a couple just randomly fail and cause similiar faults.

Let me know how you get on!! Don't let them try and give you any bullshit either!
 

Da

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They wont don't worry Steve ;)

Like I've said any parts that need replacing I will be doing myself, I've just got to bite the bullet and get a diag first :dapprove:

Would be over the moon if it was a simple case of the precat sensor! :approve:

Will keep you updated.
 


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