Another EDC auto box fault. 2015 clio RS 220 trophy

Tomone · Nov 16, 2024

After some advise please.

2015 Clio 220T phase 1. Stopped in traffic a few days ago. Came up with "check auto box" message. Lost 1st 3rd and probably 5th gear (didn't check) fault code was for "clutch 1 torque, torque error" stop started the car and cleared the fault. The fault hasn't come back.

But I've noticed in 3rd and 5th it seems like the clutch is slipping. I accelerate, the revs climb, but the speed doesn't change much.

Have it booked in with local Renault main dealer garage in 3 weeks for a diagnostic. Not sure what they will say if there is no fault present at the moment.

I hear alot about battery and or TCU reprogramming but I feel like it's more an issue with the actual clutch?

Any help, ideas, or advise would be appreciated.

Matt Cup · Nov 16, 2024

@Sash I’m sure your 200,000+ mile experience will be welcome here 🙂

Sash · Nov 16, 2024

Matt Cup said:
@Sash I’m sure your 200,000+ mile experience will be welcome here 🙂

No idea what you’re on about 😂😂
205,402 miles and counting…

Firstly I’d be asking what mileage the OP’s car is on, if it’s ever had a battery replaced?

Tomone · Nov 16, 2024

Sash said:
No idea what you’re on about 😂😂
205,402 miles and counting…

Firstly I’d be asking what mileage the OP’s car is on, if it’s ever had a battery replaced?

Just over 68k miles. I have never changed it. I have had the car less than a year. The battery is a Drivetec DRBDA096.

Sash · Nov 16, 2024

Tomone said:
Just over 68k miles. I have never changed it. I have had the car less than a year. The battery is a Drivetec DRBDA096.

it’s clearly had one as that’s not a standard battery.

However that’s no guarantee it’s not on its way out.

It’s the cheapest option to start with but I’d be taking note of the clutch temps via RS monitor if you have it.

Tomone · Nov 16, 2024

No RS monitor yet.

After driving I check the clutch temps with a diagnostic tool and they are always both equal. Between 50-70 degrees the times I've checked.

Battery voltage is around14.5v when engine running and the lowest I've seen with engine off is 12.3v.

Sash · Nov 16, 2024

So it could be a TCM issue.

I’m fairly convinced my TCM problem was a circuit break that would open when the module got warm. Cant prove that as haven’t opened the module and looked. However, my issues only seemed to happen on hotter days.

Tomone · Nov 17, 2024

Thanks for your input guys @Matt Cup @Sash .

Well it's in with renault in a couple of weeks. See what they say. 🤞

MicKPM · Nov 22, 2024

As Sash said, it's usually age related issues, somewhere on the TCM PCB which cases this. The general rule is check/change the battery first and then load test the EDC wiring loom for issues. If they're both good, chances are it's the TCM at fault.

Clutch packs are starting to need doing also, especially 2013-2015 cars, so be sure to have the clutch 1/2 thicknesses checked, especially if it seems to be slipping in one gear set (Clutch 1: 1/3/5, Clutch 2: 2/4/6/R) when this issue happens. It's not nice but sometimes a 50/50 guess is about as good as it gets and Renault will only do the job if they're replacing everything - Crazy

Mick

JamesBryan · Nov 22, 2024

^ Take it to Mick.

Sash · Nov 22, 2024

MicKPM said:
As Sash said, it's usually age related issues, somewhere on the TCM PCB which cases this. The general rule is check/change the battery first and then load test the EDC wiring loom for issues. If they're both good, chances are it's the TCM at fault.

Clutch packs are starting to need doing also, especially 2013-2015 cars, so be sure to have the clutch 1/2 thicknesses checked, especially if it seems to be slipping in one gear set (Clutch 1: 1/3/5, Clutch 2: 2/4/6/R) when this issue happens. It's not nice but sometimes a 50/50 guess is about as good as it gets and Renault will only do the job if they're replacing everything - Crazy

Mick

I need to get myself CLIP to check my thicknesses 😂

Tomone · Nov 22, 2024

MicKPM said:
As Sash said, it's usually age related issues, somewhere on the TCM PCB which cases this. The general rule is check/change the battery first and then load test the EDC wiring loom for issues. If they're both good, chances are it's the TCM at fault.

Clutch packs are starting to need doing also, especially 2013-2015 cars, so be sure to have the clutch 1/2 thicknesses checked, especially if it seems to be slipping in one gear set (Clutch 1: 1/3/5, Clutch 2: 2/4/6/R) when this issue happens. It's not nice but sometimes a 50/50 guess is about as good as it gets and Renault will only do the job if they're replacing everything - Crazy

Mick

Thanks for the reply and sharing knowledge. Regarding clutch thickness, is there anyway of checking this with a diagnostic tool? Is the clutch touch point any indication of wear? Mine seems to be around 10mm for both.

Tomone · Saturday at 5:15 PM

Just to update this thread. I put the car into my local Renault garage.

Since I had cleared the fault myself they couldn't find what the exact issue was.

They had thier "master technician" inspect and test drive the car. They found no issues and said it was all fine.

They said they made a few "tweaks" in the software and reset the modules. "The fault may have been just a glitch"

I paid for the diagnostic and they found nothing.... However, if anything happens within the next 12 months they will take it in again and have another look for free.

Since then it has all been fine.

Martin_172 · Saturday at 9:56 PM

My Megane with the same engine but the 7 speed box was in a main dealer for a clutch pack replacement under warranty, they didn't have the specialist tooling for it so i had to wait for that to arrive first, which surprized me, clutch packs must be fairly good in them!

Sash · Saturday at 10:51 PM

Martin_172 said:
My Megane with the same engine but the 7 speed box was in a main dealer for a clutch pack replacement under warranty, they didn't have the specialist tooling for it so i had to wait for that to arrive first, which surprized me, clutch packs must be fairly good in them!

Tbf I’m surprised how good the clutch packs have been in mine…!

Martin_172 · Saturday at 11:02 PM

Sash said:
Tbf I’m surprised how good the clutch packs have been in mine…!

Less so the one in my meg, 21k miles, 4 years old! both clutches slipping badly assume due to LOTS of sitting in traffic before my ownership

Sash · Saturday at 11:05 PM

Martin_172 said:
Less so the one in my meg, 21k miles, 4 years old! both clutches slipping badly assume due to LOTS of sitting in traffic before my ownership

There must be some significant difference between them, because I do hour upon hour of creep forwards, edge back, creep forward edge back doing manoeuvres 🤷🏼‍♀️ then go and sit in traffic after 😂 rinse and repeat for 6 years.

Martin_172 · Saturday at 11:14 PM

Sash said:
There must be some significant difference between them, because I do hour upon hour of creep forwards, edge back, creep forward edge back doing manoeuvres 🤷🏼‍♀️ then go and sit in traffic after 😂 rinse and repeat for 6 years.

it holds the bite point when sitting in traffic so as soon as you start peeling off the pedal it crawls instantly, makes for very nice driving but not so good for clutch wear, infact even at say the McDonalds drive thru, if your sitting on the brakes, stop start has cut the engine and you lift off the brake, it creeps forward on the starter as its turning over!

I asked Renault to make sure it was updated to the newest gearbox and ECU software which they did and said the latest gearbox revision was much newer (lots of people were getting gearbox and clutch pack replacements on GT205's when they were new under warranty, it looks like probably a lot of software issues!), and it now doesn't do this, you feel it disengage as you come to a stop and then a small pause as it re engages when you come off the pedal. the speed of shifts now is much quicker and the box is really well behaved too! its instant on the pull of a paddle now, snappier than my 220 trophy was, where on its original 2018 software it was a little laggy! - Shows how much difference can be made with calibration and software changes!

Sash · Sunday at 9:38 AM

Martin_172 said:
it holds the bite point when sitting in traffic so as soon as you start peeling off the pedal it crawls instantly, makes for very nice driving but not so good for clutch wear, infact even at say the McDonalds drive thru, if your sitting on the brakes, stop start has cut the engine and you lift off the brake, it creeps forward on the starter as its turning over!

I asked Renault to make sure it was updated to the newest gearbox and ECU software which they did and said the latest gearbox revision was much newer (lots of people were getting gearbox and clutch pack replacements on GT205's when they were new under warranty, it looks like probably a lot of software issues!), and it now doesn't do this, you feel it disengage as you come to a stop and then a small pause as it re engages when you come off the pedal. the speed of shifts now is much quicker and the box is really well behaved too! its instant on the pull of a paddle now, snappier than my 220 trophy was, where on its original 2018 software it was a little laggy! - Shows how much difference can be made with calibration and software changes!

As I first started reading your post I was thinking ‘No, you definitely can feel mine disengage and engage the biting point when stopping and starting’ then as I read further about the software update it reminded me that @Ricardos had the gearbox software updated before I bought the car so I’ve only ever known the car as it is. I prefer it like this.

Also I don’t know if it makes a difference but mine doesn’t have start stop (thank god!) as a result my car does a hell of a lot of idling which probably hasn’t done it an awful lot of good but on the flip side hasn’t done it much harm or else it wouldn’t be ticking over 210,000 miles. 😂

Now, my fiesta (🤢) has the same Getrag gearbox but has a completely different map. That doesn’t disengage the clutch on the brake on stopping and is moving before your foot is off the brake. It does make for doing manoeuvres smoother but that’s about it.

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