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Agreed. Based on how quickly he was decelerating from the engine noise he was doing 50-60 mph at least, possibly much more, before the Mazda appeared in front of him. It's an ultra low car in stealth mat black...if there was a car going in the opposite direction to the Lambo it could have...

Lots of debate over on STOC but the general consensus of opinion, along with a few claimed knowledgeable sources, says the next Mountune kit will be MR and not MP...so not warranty friendly. I don't doubt there's something coming but unless it's 100% MP I'm not interested. TomSx - no...

All standard except for the MP215. It only sounds like that as I stuffed the microphone inside the air intake.

Mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

What can I see? What can't I see? What can I reasonably expect to happen? Oh look at that van with the trailer/scissor lift approaching...he doesn't look like he's stopping? (lift off and cover the brake) Is he? Isn't he? He isn't, he's pulling out regardless (brake). Or Oh look at that van...

Could it not go against him though? At 40mph you can stop pretty much on a sixpence in a modern car. So the options were brake for the idiot van driver that you could see would/was pulling out, let him go, continue on your way and no incident occurred... Or, think "I'll put my foot down and...

Much as it's a sh*t deal you had clear visibility to have seen him coming from way back. Nothing happens suddenly on the roads, there are clues and information everywhere...it was a van...and they don't launch like a drag car does up the strip...so he must have been moving and there for you to...

Another short...

I know, I know!

Stop it N0ddie...you're making me want to go and get some ordered myself.

Speedometer drive. Non 172 Cups get the speedo driven from ABS sensors. As the 172 Cup has no ABS it has a different 'box casing with an output to feed the speedometer. You could fit any 'box really although if it's not a Cup one you'll need to find another way to drive the speedometer. I put...

Issues? Nothing serious I hope? Mine's been faultless for all 15,500 miles so far (touch wood).

When are the brakes being fitted N0ddie? In the interests of science (and internet pride) can I coax you into filming a speedo video of you braking once they're on?

Not really a fair comparison as the PS3 was released over a year after the 360 was so it had the benefit of further developed and refined technology.

They work. Well.

Nice! Black with those wheels is the combo I was originally looking at until I went with Ford... Looks great.

Ha ha ha...we do! I've almost given up entirely over there...they seem determined to put the car down as they all see the RS as the pinnacle of road cars...so the ST couldn't possibly measure up...it's a warm hatch, only an ST180 etc.. I'd say 5% at the most actually understand and appreciate...

How are you finding the map? I'm on 15,500 miles now on the original Bridgestone RE050s. Very impressed with them so will be going around again on another set once these give up.

Oooh, not good. I'm surprised Mountune supply brakes that necessitate a wheel change to be able to properly drive the car...I thought they'd work some magic and make them fit under standard wheels...the 200 had no issue running Brembos under its 17s.

Oh dear.

What good would that extra braking force do if you were on ice?

Thinking about this another way... Imagine the car is on sheet ice (like an ice rink). Would a 4-pot setup stop you quicker?

This is exactly what I'm going to do. 100mph to zero...and film my speedometer. Then I await someone in an ST, on standard Bridgestones, but with Mountune big-brakes, to do the same. I'm more than prepared to eat humble pie should it be necessary!

This is where my thoughts are. Chip... you've missed the point that if both setups can overwhelm the tyre's available grip at will at any speed, what good does the extra braking force available from a 4-pot setup do? As for why I asked this question...I believe the answer is both will stop in...

I'll say again...the two cars are identical. They can both trigger the ABS at will so BOTH setups have enough braking force readily available to overwhelm the grip available from tyres. Which stops faster?

OK, ignore the feel, ignore how well they last, ignore the detail. The only difference is in the number of pistons and the swept area. Both setups have the ability to trigger the ABS at will, and both cars are running the same tyres. Which stops quicker?

If the standard setup is enough to trigger the ABS, why would 4-pots slow the car faster?

I'm not talking about after several laps on a trackday. One stop, from whatever speed you want. Which hauls up quicker?

Two modern cars, identical in every way except for the brake setup. One has 4-pot calipers, bigger discs, larger swept area. The other has a standard single-piston setup. Which one stops quicker?

He's a r****d. G172 isn't. /thread