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thats it going again, just moved the starter motor wires a couple times and kept trying and it worked, shall need to put some heat shrink over them and try and tie them up somewhere to prevent it happening again

cheers phil

i think i should do the proper introduction first and then my problem at the end. got this 182 last night as a swap for a Laguna 1.9dci full years mot on the clio so not a bad deal, its cleaner underneath than what i was expecting to find, got good service history with timing belt etc been...