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Shhh!! And the 205 GTi Ben! ooh, and the 306 GTi-6, but dont tell anyone!

LOL! I dont know quite why this is funny, but I like it!

In standard form, something like 90bhp and stats similar to that of a 1.2 Clio. This dude seems to have a moded one with 118bhp and 225lb/ft of torque - Id like to see the RR graph!

Our friends HDi has apparently beaten some GT Turbos! Thats what I mean! The 16v/Willy have rally pedigree, something methinks the HDi is lacking. The 16v and later Willy-engined Maxi Clio still holds many records as the fastest FWD car on many tarmac stages - including the Tour de Corse...

See my new forum tag!

Man, this is not getting us anywhere. Come on Neil, you know the Clio 16v is a proper hot hatch. 0-60 in 7.7 and all the other stats/quantitative measures you can shake a stick at say so. If you really did beat a 16v, then fair play. But dont expect people not to be surprised. And...

Is this TooFast? What do we reckon?

Cool! I might well be working in Edinburgh for good from about October.

Well, if thats the case then youll beat a 106 GTi, Williams, GT Turbo, VTS, Punto GT, 205 GTi 1.9, 172, ST 170, Fiesta RS1800, Fiesta RS Turbo and many other hot hatches with the same performance as a 16v. Bring on the videos!

I agree with Nick.

Cheers! Have just noticed that the monkeys who fitted my discs and pads about 9 months ago have neglected to use these screws at all! Ive only got one wheel off, so cant check the other dics, but the one Ive seen was being held on just by the pressue of the wheel against the hub...

All said, the 306 HDi is a good torquey engine wrapped in a fine chassis. But a 16v beater it aint. Although its diffcult, there are a few 16v replicas out there with the bonnet bulge and large front arches. Otherwise, all I can think of was that the car in question was a new-shape Mk2...

Can I get new bolts that the hold front brake discs onto the hub? Two of them in between the wheel bolt holes. Cheers

Ive just spent ages on there and most of them seem to see that indeed, a HDi would get murdered by a proper hot hatch like the 16v. But the guy who says he destroys 16vs on there reckons he has 160bhp from his 90bhp HDi by fitting a chip, BMC airbox and exhaust!!! WTF!!!!???

Ha ha! Caught out by Evo then! I never usually trust those damn listing things and so Ive just learnt never to again! :oops::oops::oops:

Eric 16v: Im in Bristol and am willing to oblige - in the name of science of course! My car wont be back on the road for a week yet, but Im very keen to see what the difference is. Im running standard wheels. Ill see if I can get Lofty in on this too (has a 2.0 converted 16v). See you...

Somewhere between 900 and 940kg I believe, depending on its age/phase.

Unbelieveably, the GT Turbo Phase 2 weighs more than a 16v or Williams - not by much, but enought to put the whole "tin can" thing to bed. Smae with loads of small cars - why do people think that a VTS/106/205 have a major weight advantage over a 16v? They all weigh 950-1000kg. Ok, so losing...

By "big engine" I mean the 2.3 V5 and the V6 4Motion. Theyre big engines. The Mk1, 2 and to a lesser extent the Mk3 Golf GTis were proper hot hatches for the hot hatch fan. I dont think that an off the shelf 2.0 115bhp Mk4 Golf GTi is really considered a hot hatch any more. Lets face it...

Very, very impressed. Ive been following Craggys VTS versus 16v exploits with keen interest and have had my eyes opened to the VTS. All the 16v/172/Williams owners hes beaten can make excuses - but at the end of the day hes proved his point fair and square. I still read in posts stuff like...

If the 16v is a car with average performance then God help the drivers of the 205 GTi 1.9, VTS, 106 GTi and most other hot hatches with lower or pretty much identical performance!

By far the best car I could hope to own - needs attention, but so do all cult cars. If I ever sold it, Id only ever buy another on or a Williams!

Here here! I dont reckon there would be that much difference between a Cup and 172. Its not like the difference between a 16v and a Willy (high revs versus low down torque). Just lose the spare wheel, take a big poo and hey presto - your 172 is ready to rock!

Just ask Cupsize...

Neil - the only in depth test of a 16v Ive ever seen timed the 16v with some impressive stats: 0-60 in 7.3 for starters. Theyre a fair bit better than a 4Motions stats! Why do you think the Willy is worthy of comparison but the 16v not? The big engine Golfs (with the exception of the R32)...

Not been pulled. I think that the 16v is the kind of car that the more discerning and sensible "boy racer" would drive.

Smart. Will be fininshing my 16v soon and posting some photos then.

The steering column or the steering rack. No question. Fairly common on the higher mileage 16v and Williams. Very expensive. Sorry. :(

The VR6 is a car for the straight line sprint. Bags of torque from a 12v 2.8 (24v in the Highline special editions) and long gearing mean that it pulls just like a 16v does to 60 all the way to its 140mph top speed! But the poor weight distribution from having that lump up front and the Mk3...

Just because an engine is now designed to work with a cat doesnt mean it will be a cleaner engine - its going to rely on the fact a cat is guaranteed to be there!