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Im sorry but Ive been in a Mk1 and a Mk2 GTi. 1. They both had too much body roll and not enough grip. 2. The MK1 didnt have a trip computer, in the way I would imagine a trip computer. 3. They were pig slow! 4. The Mk2 had sh*tty seats!

What the hell would I want with a lardy ass 4-Motion! Werent the G60 and Rallyes only LHD!?

In answer to your question yes!

He can sl*g them off cause he doesnt like them, just like you can sl*g the Clios interior off coz you dont like it! Its all about opinions, given the choice Id go for a 172 over any golf past or present, bar the R32!

Has anyone actaully said that a 1.4 Clio is faster/better than a VR6? Answer - NO!!!!! Id be pretty certain that if I was in my 172 and say Jason Plato, or someone of that ilk, was in a 1.6 16V clio, that he would beat me around a twisty back road. Does that mean the 1.6 16V is better...

Well The remapped Cup ECU, should just plug straight into the 172 then!

When you planning on going up next Gareth, we could have a few "experiments"! Cup vs Cup, Cup Vs 172, Cup vs CTR.......

Oh BTW, I assume you will be going to Crail? Ive never seen a CTR at crail crack 15.5s - easy meat. The teg seems to be alot better over the 1/4 mile, Id say 14.9/15.0 for the teg! The modded P1, Id think around high 12s!?

Reth, My bro is getting a cup in a couple of weeks time, now one of the reasons hes bought a Cup is to be faster then me....b*****d!!;) Any way i can run flat 15s and Im sure this summer i can dip into the 14s, Im almost certain that the Cup will go into the 14s with ease. Hes not going to...

Are you happy enough with your wife driving about in a, what I would call, very fast car without ABS?

BTW do you know for certain that your car has an alloy bonnet?

It was weighed on a pukka weighbridge mate, not on my mums bathroom scales! - Tube!!! Do you realise that the MK2 brochure said the car weighed 1035KG for a bout a year, infact Im pretty certain it still says that, Ill go and check!

Doubt it, were talking about Renault here!!

LISTEN FFS! CLIOSPORT WEIGHED THE MK1(WITH ALLOY BONNET), THE MK1(WITHOUT THE ALLOY BONNET) AND A MK2 AT A WEIGH BRIDGE! ALL RESULTS ARE ON THE MAIN PAGE UNDER CAR SPECS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for shouting! This test was carried out to find out why the MK1 and MK2 are near...

Paul, I took mine in and saif there was something wrong with the backbox. Funnily enought they didnt touch the backbox and went straight for the mid section and changed it. It was almost like they knew they had a problem with the mid section of the exhaust, I dunno maybe its a known fault!

It is a myth that bikes cant go round corners quickly. In an issue of EVO they were doing a Track day special, they tested an R1, I think, it came third only to an R500 Catheram and a Radical. The cornering speeds were right up there!

Yeah dont hit them in the face concentrate on outer limbs and the mid rift!

GR, LOL - Youre not telling me you took your car over 3kRPM are you!!:o;) Only joking!

Maybe the forum software is trying to tell us something...........stop talking sh*t and go to bed!!!!

Dunno it said you had posted at 12.41 but nothing! So I put a . to see what would happen!

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Hes not talking about top speed. Hes talking about getting to a certain point in the road and comparing speeds! Ha, you edited!

Does it really matter, both cars are identical in terms of performance so it would be a fair assumption that they are more or less the same weight!

Well they did that with the MK2 for a bout a year until the CUp came out when they said, "oh sorry guys we sold the car to you under false pretenses(sp?), the car isnt actually 1035KG its......", So renault have done that in the past!

I cant really see the Zenons being that heavy mate, its only a light assem. Im also only going by the weights recorded at weighbridge the alloy bonnet fitted to the MK1 was weigh at 1093KG, the MK1 with the steel bonnet was weighed at 1100KG. Thats the only difference so the bonnet can be the...

Xenons are bulbs!!! The alloy bonnet saves 7KG and was disontinued on the later MK1s. I think the MK1 with the alloy bonnet was weighed at 1093KG.

Guys, The only thing that adds weight is the 16" alloys, the other extras are all electrical, no added weight!

172Man, We, meaning me and you, have already had this discussion. Renault have been bullsh*tting about the kerb weight of the Clio 172 since the car came out. Both versions are around 1100 KG. ClioSport did a weigh bridge between 3 different 172 marks! Hence the near identical performance...

The MK1 isnt 1035KG, its nearer 1100KG!

Id say that would be a fair assumption!