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Rob - maybe we will have to agree to disagree on this one, in all honestly i have no experience of the V6 at all, i saw one in a showroom and that is about it, but just fromvarious reports and "word on the street" is that certainly the mark 1, was a bit soft, twitchy and snappy, especially in...

153 bhp

Maybe be i am a sh*t driver then, as i have said, a FRP stuck with us through redgate and craner, something 172s dont usally do, but hey what do i know, i only have 90 posts so no one listens to me ! I still maintain that a FRP would beat a 172 of V6 on a technical hanlding track like cadwell...

I think we genralise when we say track, cadwell park is twistie, where as dono, thruxton aulton park or power circuits, i still maintain that a FRP would beat a 172 round or cadwell. Maybe because you have such an exoctic collection of cars, your driving ability and opinion counts for more...

Do you mean me ?

I think in the twisties it would be bye bye V6, Ford Racing Puma, has one of the bests front wheel drive chasiss, too good infact for its 153 bhp. These things corner like they are on rails, and carry so much speed through a corner it is unreal, we couldnt shake one through redgate and down the...

I think that is the most sensible post on this thread ! (bar what i posted !) Listen to yourselves ! You are arguing over car interiors ffs ! Italians are the only people to make good looking car interiors, and none of us own one, so lets all shut up and put this one to bed ! p.s - and...

172man - do you READ any of the posts, i have been on about the mark 2 all along and have stated this in capitals, many times over ! I also dont agree with the figures on this website. I will use the ones that renault publish in THEIR LATEST brochures, as i think they no best ! You keep refering...

http://www.omniauto.it/home/golfv.htmhttp://www.omniauto.it/home/golfv.htm There we go !

Has anybody seen pics of the mark V ? it is like a lowered version of that 4x4 tourag thing, its massive !

172 man eats humble pie ! I wasnt telling lies after all was i ! I can scan and post a picture of the new 172 cup brochure if you still want proof ! Or if any 172cup owners with a brochure can come forward and state what i have just said, as now one seems to believe me on this one...

Yes - i can see what it says on the site, but in the Renault Cup brochure (i think the guys who publish this might know a thing or too about clios) it says they have shaved 89 kilos of the cup which weighs 1021 kilos. So 89 plus 1021 equals 1110 kilos, which equates to 154 bhp per tonne. Evo...

cant be bothered to argue with you anymore - you are too stupid to see my point. Go and get the latest and most up to date brochure like me and work it out for yourself. You will like the brochure - not much writing and lots of pictures - noob!!

Mr 172man - you have called me a noob so you have won this argument, and therefore you must know everything.(not quite sure what a noob is, i think maybe you cant spell, or read actually, because in my post you missed a critical fact, that will make the above post and you look a bit stupid) I...

Dear Mr 172man - get your facts right first ! (i did) This is straight from the 172cup brochure, which is on my lap ! Cup Kerb Vehical weight - 1021 kilos - then it goes on to say overall weight reduced by 89,000 grams, or 89 kilos. So 1021 plus 89 equals 1110 kilo. You still with me 172man...

Right, i feel i am qualified to answer this debate, been totally neutral, but having driven both cars quite extensively. First of all, girlfriend had a 1.4 16v, which she has no got rid, for a mini, which i must amid is superior in everyway. And mother-in-law had a VR6, which was swapped for a...

If it was an E30 M3, it would have been left hand drive, unless a dodgy right drive conversion

hmm, you might have got the run on him, and he took a while to catch you, tbh wasnt there so dont have an answer ! Could have been just a slow scoob, crap driver, fluffed a gear change, hit the limiter, who knows ! Certainly not me ! Cheers Jonathan

No, i think optimax was the reason i was down on power. Super unleaded (97ron) feels much better in my car !

Craggy - like carlos said, an MY94 if UK would be 208bhp, with who knows how many miles, if it was an import wrx, it would be 240bhp, but that is on 100ron fuel, so probaly about 210/220 bhp on uk fuel. TBH if the impreza was modded, i dont think you would have stod a chance, but i dont know...

Yeah i have read that thread, but at this moment in time, i cant remeber who posted it. In reality Shell and not goin to come back and admit that there product is inferior, but the jury is still out on optimax. There have been numerous threads about it. Some people say there cars fly with the...

Optimax is 98.6 ron, and is based on 95ron (normal unleaded) with chemicals added to increase octane rating. Super Unleaded 97ron, is specifically refine to be 97ron I use Super unleaded in the scoob, not optimax

f**k me Vibro - you post was exactly the same time as mine, but without the pictures !

Ahh, i remeber now. Think james hans is goin for 1600cc forged pistons and a big T4 sized turbo, should fly when its finished. Hes doin alot of the engine work himself. Whats more interesting is that Matt Friend is putting a 1372cc Punto GT engine in his cinq ! Can you imagine that when thats...

Stuart - thats me, how did you know i played squash ? cant remeber telling you that, although it was about 14 months ago ! I can vaguely remember you telling me you were getting a Lupo GTI

My scoob is an MY00 on a V reg, last of the gooduns as they say !

Lol - the mistake is, scoobs redline at 7k, not 6 But good try

Jonathan Woodward I know James Hans, Mike Jukes etc Speak to Richard baker every now and then, and Matt Friend bought my car off me ! Were you on e-groups ? What name did you go by ?

There is a mistake in there ! Who can spot it ? Carlos should !