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PH1 interiors are seriously nasty. The Cup's ain't all that but it's a marked improvement on the PH1. No contest.

How many times do we need to see that video? It proves nothing. MarkCup nailed it - Fun is a state of mind, not engine size related.

Why don't the 1.2 brigade set-up a 1.2 forum, so that they can all discuss the fun together without the 2.0 brigade?

This is rubbish. Throttle management. Buy one!

Nice car - don't be so defensive! I don't think all the headrests needed to have Renault Sport stitched into them!!

Think it's more to do with the idiots posting nonsense

Okay, you are right, I shouldn't have commented. However, please don't ever comment on literacy again. And get your school teacher to check your post before replying. I am now relaxed with no issues.

Good response when talking about literacy. Is this race against your Mini that you currently own? I'm loving the forum hierarchy that doesn't exist. Somone show me the rules of posts vs. slagging, and when you become a 'Ron Jeremy' because who ever thought of that is a genius and needs hiring...

Not sure what your noob comments are trying to achieve but I 100% realise that you were referring to the JWC. My point is, it has no relevance to the comparison in the title, which is what is meant to be discussed. You clearly are running on ret@rd strength. What has the JCW got to do with...

Hence Peperami's comment!

You will feel a better throttle response and maybe a bit more pull lower down (depending on the remap) but on it's own, very little will be noticeable. I have Superchip on mine. Some breathing mods will help but you need to throw a fair bit of cash to get any decent gains from the Sport, as...

Not sure you would notice anything.

We don't all have the luxury of car hibernation in the winter.

And this fact has anything to do with the title? 172 vs. standard cooper s (r50) I didn't think so. Relevance - none. Fact.

Sorry. I should have just steered clear but this is a common topic and has been discussed to the death. All that happens is the discussion turns to all versions of the Mini (JCW etc) and Clio (Cup, 182 etc) and nothing makes any sense. And then the 'it's down to the driver' comments follow.:eek...

What a rubbish car that is.

Yes, thanks

Well done there mate! Shows the minimal difference between them all.

Absolutely. I'd rather see chavs taking interest in their car than downing Buckfast at lunchtime. (Only in exceptional circumstances) My goodness, I just defended a chav! Soap being eaten right now.

Why, because you have nothing useful to say? It's banter.

I couldn't watch the first video. Very fast but to me, that (106) is very chavtastic too. Tidy but burberry!

You are right. Not a whole lot in it. I was just stirring!

This is common knowledge.

Didn't say you did. That modded Corsa you posted probably was though. You used to?

Exactly! Do you not get what is being said here? Neither does a SXi chav wagon. And I have driven the 197 many times. If it had decent mpg I might have bought one by now. My eyes are only wet through laughter Kyle. That Corsa was very funny! Thanks. And don't take this personally - I...

But we are. You keep proving our point!

Yes, it's modded. Well done. If I turbo my car, it will beat that piece of $hit anywhere. It's still a chavved up heap of a car and a 197 (which is what this thread is about) will still handle as well, probably better. You could stick a Veyron engine in a Corsa if you want - I will still point...

Power and torque will have that effect.

Complete chav! I rest your case too. I refer to the car and the baby.

Yeah, I saw that comment and remember it being posted a long time ago. It was a remapped Corsa, I seem to recall. Okay, they might handle well but the 197 handles better, which is where I have more interest. Plus, the 197 looks great imo and not just because I have a Clio btw.