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Indeed, but as the money isn't directly coming out of your account, people don't see this loss as 'real'..

Horses for courses. All the minis I've been in have been a level above the Clio in terms of build. And if you do have any issues the dealer network is massively superior.

I think one of these could be the car to get me out of the Clio's tbh. Have to be red/black for me though, I nearly bought one a few years ago. Red, black roof, black wheels. Looked the nuts, was all ready to go. Then the HPi threw up outstanding finance.

The original colour was yellow IIRC. Not sure why they went for red in the end (prob had a load of paint to use up!)

From the info I've found, 2kg per corner heavier than my 16's! 8.5kg v 6.5kg.

More expensive repair costs due to the Sachs.

I honestly have no idea why you'd go for the cup. Get a FF, in red, then yes.

I've owned both the cars above. Trophy, no question. You won't miss any of the 'toys' (ie auto wipers that don't really work) but you'll enjoy driving it massively. Personally, I'd rather a 172 on coilovers than a Trophy.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Lasts longer than a fully charged tomtom.

Drive one dan. Epic. IMO (ready for slating;)) they are a better drive than the dc5.

Love them. Jdm looks far nicer.

Yep. Best road tyre I've used on a 1*2. I've used pe2, f1, p zero, t1r.

Join the revolution lol!

V12 Evo, £120 for all 4. Done. http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s99p15202

Heavy b******s, but they do look good.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Just read that disabling autolock should stop the problem, as suggested by Sneeks. Oddly it doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Glad it's not just me.

A better all rounder than all of the above tbh. Having seen what you've bought, I do find it crazy that people are dropping 15k on a Clio. I don't think there's a Clio edition made that would hold onto a well driven s works, and I've only driven the early lower powered works.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? For the other copilot users. When navigating, ocassionaly the screen goes dull, like the phones about to lock. It never does lock, and touching the screen brightens it again. Anyone else had this occur?

There you have it. If you moisturise and use fake tan, the 197's the car for you. ;)

Car of their time. Interior s**t, built pretty poorly, not refined in the slightest. All sorted in the new breed of hatches, but obviously with added weight. Roy's nailed it. s**t as day to day ( if those things bother you) but great fun.

Cup loses leatherette+alcantara on the seats, no xenons, no auto wipers, no climate (standard ac), different stereo, only available in RB and cat-sick, slightly smaller steering wheel (no melting thumb grips), no split rear bench.

Commited? This was in an exhibition race organised by Mercedes. He won of course.

Nein. SMG has the same slight harshness as the F1 box. Not as bad as e-gear though. DCT is so much smoother, and far better in auto mode.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Is Champ manager any good?

Belongs, yes. Awful, yes.

Edited for truth

Love mine.

I've owned both. The ph1 is a wee bit quicker, more responsive, more 'fun'. The ph2 is more refined, better interior. Exterior I prefer the ph1, just. If you're thinking of modding, get the ph1. If not, ph2 is the better bet.

Check the dampers, then get alignment done.