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it just depends on what the situation is.
i know for a fact that a172(not even cup) will beat a type r from say 10 - 100mhp...but Ater that the type r will pull away.
apparently when a viper is on a 172/182 it does loose a bit of torque but bhp is gained thats why some people find the car to be less responsive.....i think it really depends on the element used...obvious tho any kit used gives a nicer sound over all.
TBH.....ecotek valve i found to be a waste of money....didnt really notice a save i fuel and deffo didnt alter the RPM, and the main downside is the noise the valve makes when the throttle is released(sounds like a drowning donkey)......and the FSE...i had one on my old car ZR 1.4 which i had...
ive noticed the difference on my 182....deffo shorter change..and i dont have any probs really with 5th or reverse......and also they look fab.i chose to get one due to deciding not to do any heavy mods on the 182 and these are really just an "alteration"-lol rather thaan a mod.....my views 9/10