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£1450? Theyve got to be taking the piss?! £500 more like. It needs a fair bit doing to it. For £1450 you could probably get a 100000 miler thats up and running. Rhys

Yep, actually. Driving on the same roads in both cars, the 172 waaaay outstops the Williams. The Willy ones arent quite as bad as I make out, but the braking performance in the 172 is seatbelt tensioningly good in comparison.

The brakes on the 172 are miles better than the ones on the Williams. Good thing that the Willy handles well, cos the brakes dont slow it down much for the corners....

Cups are 3mm lower and possibly with stiffer suspension? Guess the springs are different. I want to lower the mk1 by 30mm on stiffer springs. Probably Eibachs seeing as Ive not seen a bad word about them.

Neil - you tempted with the decat option for the Cup? Would go nice with the chip.

The rear wiper is a helpful £15,000,000.22 from your Renault dealer (plus VAT and fitting of 3 hours @£70/hour plus petrol money for them to rag your car round for a bit while they have it). Its a bargin.

Billabong - fair enough and lucky you that you have a good one. Let people know about it, but the problem is that there are far too many bad ones around. People are not just complaining for the sake of it.

I dont think i could have another new Renault. Id get a 2nd hand one that I could take to a garage of my choice, but Im not being tied to Reg Vardy Sheffield for another 3 years for servicing to keep the warranty. Id consider any car thats good, but next time Ill be looking for someone who has...

Welcome to the Renault experience! If you feel you would like to be screwed over some more, please do not hesitate to try my local Renault dealership - Reg Vardy, Ecclesall Road, Sheffield. I can guarantee you that youll be dis-satisfied with your time there. Sounds like you are very lucky to...

Paddy, please tell me youd be having the bonnet painted! You should have just bought a mk1 and got yourself a nice aluminium bonnet... ;)

lol, some potentially controversial choices there Dash!

17000 miles though. Thats less than our 3 year old 172! In 3 years time therell be hardly any Williams around at all, and one in good nick and with such stupidly low mileage should be able to command a decent fee. I personally wouldnt pay more than £6k for a Willy now, but only because I dont...

Look on the for sale forum. Willy number 399 was up for sale for £9k with 17000 miles on the clock. A bit of haggling and you could have a nearly new one for 8.5 grand or so..... Rhys

Me. Id like to put the 162 on the rollers......

C1BA - had enough of it now then? Use that staff discount on a MK2.

Oh yes, its probably getting well slow because youre getting used to it!

John Noble Engineering, Chesterfield, where we had our rolling road day fairly recently. Rhys

Where did you get them from and who fitted them? If it was from a shop, you can just take them back and the shop are obliged to sort it out. Im not sure if you would be entitled to a refund, but if the goods are not in a fit condition, the shop would have to either repair or replaced. There...

Peugeot 206 GTi. Peugeot 206 GTi. Peugeot 206 GTi. Peugeot 206 GTi. Peugeot 206 GTi. In any order, that is.

1) Williams - no doubt 2) 205 1.9 GTi (I know the 1.6 is meant to be better balanced, but the 1.9 has the extra go to go with the handling) 3) VTS/106 GTi - under rated and mocked by so many, but so quick. For a 1.6! 4) 5GTT - tin can with a turbo. Good plan. 5) 172/Cup - Im biased, but...

Yeah, Cup doesnt come with the cover. Renault charge a small fortune for it and it weighs 600 grammes. Not that Ive weighed mine :oops:

billabong - any pics from the 3650 to demonstrate? I reckon the one of the cat is okay quality.

And the 7650 kitty cat picture (no name yet - possibly Nicole?) http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=1057355372__kitty.jpg

Same pic from a digital camera with no flash on (taken 5 mins after the phone ones): http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=1057354675__willy172_006.jpg

7650, on "night" setting. Got a better pic that I took with it, but its of a fluffy kitten, and possibly off topic.

Bloody smudgy phone cameras.....

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=1057354316__nice2.jpg

Hmmmm......am I in a blue or a silver mood today? http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=1057354180__nice.jpg

I dont want to get rid of my car just because the dealers are rubbish. Ill just go to the garage who did my MOT and wheel bearing change for £100 at the beginning of the week. Same work as Renault charge £210 for. And the bonus is that my local One Stop dont thrash my car around for 3 miles...

Try Tescos. In their sweety section they have Jellyatrics. The old age pensioner version of Jelly Babies. Theyre very nice, but a bit chewier. Rhys