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Face it guys if you only have one car, the std 172 is the way to go! If it is a second/weekend car it would be churlish not to get the faster lightweight version;)

Seriously though guys (and this is a question) is it possible to massivly improve the handling on a cup just be changig the suspension?

Yeah but theyd charge you 400 squid to replace the std set!

If they improve the handling that much then surely that would mean the cup/172 handling is crap? Im sure reno would have put this cheap set of springs on the std car if it really improves the handling? Could be wrong - just a thought!

The cup blew the 172 and mk 1 v6 into the weeds around Bedford - words of EVO!

I fully understand the physics guys but the guy said that the arse end swung out and then not to lift off?

Mike.. more of a question than a comment! I thought that lifting off the power gradually would return grip and bring the back end in line (whilst steering into the skid) is this different on a cup? Regards

Oooooooooooh another cup owner, again I am surprised that you can still get em? As others have said take it easy at first until used to it and then you can start spanking scoobs like the rest of us;) Oh and welcome to the forum!

^^^^^^^^^^ My Road angel picked up its first lazer toting w*nker on Saturday driving Westbound on M4 around Swansea way. Luckyily I wasnt driving excessivly fast;)

If the vehicle is to be your every day car then I would opt for the 182, mainly beacuse of the luxory and extra safety features. If it is to be a second or weekend car then the smile you get from driving the lightweight cup is hard to beat imho!

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Dont rub it in mate!:(

Cup is more exclusive though!

Why get a 182 when the 206GTI did so well in the review;)

Not a policeman are you seven?;)

Gutted for you mate, if it was gravel you hit then abs wouldnt have helped anyway!

I use the above but other peeps prefer meguirs or howeevr you spell it!

Prodigy - Outerspace Anything by dire straits:oops: or counting crows!

What tyres would people recoomend for a cup for maximum grip and confidence factor - dry use only Oh and also to reduce tramlining? Cheers

Good one Stu Which salesmen did you talk to? I almost bought a cup from their but got it from Bridges Newbury in the end. Not before playing off the Ciren & Swin delaerships against one another though!

Before this turns into a 172 vs cup argument (do you think 182 owners will argue with the 182 cup bolt on option pack owners?;)) As a proper cup owner I would recommend a 172 as a daily driver as it aint that much slower but has all the toys you would require doing lots of miles. I know as my...

NO:cry:

To be fair ABS is only designed not to lock the brakes which will give you some steering in an emergency situation. The common misconception is that it will stop you quicker, and under certain circumstances it will and under others it wont but either way you wont lock the wheels up so should be...

I agree with you Tony but with a free company car the cup stays dry on wet days! Whilst I cannot comment on any individual test the above 15% wheel slip is fact, Locking up the wheels will not help you stop quicker! Perhaps the mondeo didnt lock up? The 172 cup will out brake some ferraris...

The quickest way to stop is with a 15% slip on the wheels - Roadcraft. This is entirely possible without abs but extremly difficult to master. i.e you are applying the brakes at 85% but this will be dependant upon conditions. ABs merely achieves this 15% slip through applying and disengaging...

Frank was given number 1 but I believe it is on display at Renos head office!

Each to their own and all that but no, no, no and er.....one more NO:sick:

Cant think why I dont have a piccy of the avensis!! http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/member_photo.php?photoid=11069 http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/thumb/1077141372__beetle.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/member_photo.php?photoid=9412...

Ford fiesta LX 75hp Mazda Mx3 V6 134hp VW Beetle (old Shape) Toyota avensis 1.8 (co car) Mkiv Golf GTI 150bhp 3 door (current co car) 1998 Classic shape imprezza Turbo 2003 Clio Cup