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Lol. Idiots. I've already done that. Started in the morning last week, took me approx 47mins. 30 of which was a tea break. 1st time I took it out, the torques span the earth, moving clouds from the arctic to Birmingham. Snow, everywhere.

I think it's £500k fully race modified, and then a few engine mods up to 900bhp.

I think I used a rm vette, or the minolta Mazda (free when you win like the wind).

Done. When you fire up the ps3, scroll all the way to the right for the psnetwork stuff. You'll just need to click on me and confirm. Is there a gold mercedes, with a tissue box on the back shelf for ali to drive?

You added me as a friend?

Should do a NASCAR oval race. They look boring, but I've done a few, epic fun!

No. But it's very good.

Or do the extreme USA oval race. Using the rm'd vette, takes 4mins, gets you 117k.

But that's just not true, is it? A couple of car lengths is a fair amount, no standard 172 will do that. Not a chance.

I vote for lupo cups, single lap on the ring.

The mountune st is seriously quick. I can't see any 172 living with one without throwing silly money at it. Iirc, a mountune st is slightly quicker (straight line) than a standard focus rs?

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 9:00 Lupo Cups at the Ring! 1lap, standard cars on hard race tyres.

I'm just about to go on if your about?

Add me, warren172. I'll be on tonight. Same car races are always good, e92 M3 with no aids bar ABS?

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 8:00 http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9004179/Trail/searchtext%3ELOGITECH.htm They had loads in stock at my local argos. £80, over £100 on ebay. Buy thousands, get rich.

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 8:00 Buy a wheel ;). If you don't like it, they are selling at way over retail on ebay!

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 8:00 I'm guessing you're using a pad? That's the issue. The PS3 pad is crap, and the game comes alive with a steering wheel. Massive difference.

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 8:00 Added you as a friend on PSnetwork, I'll fire over that Vee when you're online.

Seeing as that no longer exists, yeah;)

Newest purchase Spray pixels really let this down!

Formula gran turismo makes everything look slow!

Surely that would stain?

Re: GT5 Online Tonight 8:00 I'll add you later Ali, still got that Vee for you.

'jobbed'?

With the Toyota race car, you don't have to worry about the 2J! Even Bob the r****d finished 20s up the road.

Fair enough. But that's the second time I've read experienced motoring journalists say that the handling and feel reflects the real life car. But then I'm sure within each of the physics models there are cars that work well and those that don't (the Elise feels crap in gt5). For a quick post...

Not at all. But bringing up the same points, which people have already posted (the same people), at every chance, is silly, and pointless.

Repetitive bullshit from fanboy's in one thread is. A decent balanced review is interesting. No-one's given one yet ;).

I think what put me off with Forza is the slight arcade feel to the handling. Jumping in an M3 and drifting it with ease is fun, but it's too easy. In my own opinion.

Not the usual silly arguments, an in-depth comparison from people that have driven several of the cars in reality. Interesting read. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/gran_turismo_5_vs._forza_motorsport_3-feature General conclusion seems to be that Forza is more fun, and obviously...