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I've owned both the cars above. Trophy, no question. You won't miss any of the 'toys' (ie auto wipers that don't really work) but you'll enjoy driving it massively. Personally, I'd rather a 172 on coilovers than a Trophy.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Lasts longer than a fully charged tomtom.

Drive one dan. Epic. IMO (ready for slating;)) they are a better drive than the dc5.

Love them. Jdm looks far nicer.

Yep. Best road tyre I've used on a 1*2. I've used pe2, f1, p zero, t1r.

Join the revolution lol!

V12 Evo, £120 for all 4. Done. http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s99p15202

Heavy b******s, but they do look good.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Just read that disabling autolock should stop the problem, as suggested by Sneeks. Oddly it doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Glad it's not just me.

A better all rounder than all of the above tbh. Having seen what you've bought, I do find it crazy that people are dropping 15k on a Clio. I don't think there's a Clio edition made that would hold onto a well driven s works, and I've only driven the early lower powered works.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? For the other copilot users. When navigating, ocassionaly the screen goes dull, like the phones about to lock. It never does lock, and touching the screen brightens it again. Anyone else had this occur?

There you have it. If you moisturise and use fake tan, the 197's the car for you. ;)

Car of their time. Interior s**t, built pretty poorly, not refined in the slightest. All sorted in the new breed of hatches, but obviously with added weight. Roy's nailed it. s**t as day to day ( if those things bother you) but great fun.

Cup loses leatherette+alcantara on the seats, no xenons, no auto wipers, no climate (standard ac), different stereo, only available in RB and cat-sick, slightly smaller steering wheel (no melting thumb grips), no split rear bench.

Commited? This was in an exhibition race organised by Mercedes. He won of course.

Nein. SMG has the same slight harshness as the F1 box. Not as bad as e-gear though. DCT is so much smoother, and far better in auto mode.

Re: iPhone AppStore must haves? Is Champ manager any good?

Belongs, yes. Awful, yes.

Edited for truth

Love mine.

I've owned both. The ph1 is a wee bit quicker, more responsive, more 'fun'. The ph2 is more refined, better interior. Exterior I prefer the ph1, just. If you're thinking of modding, get the ph1. If not, ph2 is the better bet.

Check the dampers, then get alignment done.

New m3 doesn't have smg, it's a dct. Completely different.

If not more!

Standard 182 vs standard 197, the 182's quicker in a straight line. Slightly. Does it really matter??

I had a go in a CTR with the ABP suspension set-up, was under £400 IIRC. Completely different feel, better steering, lots more fun.

I want to see a 200 in red. Black on red always works well.

I personally disagree, having used 1 set this year. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zeitung-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm T1R came last out of 16 tyres tested, below some budget tyres.

In my experience t1r's are ok in the dry, crap in the wet. Px4's are poor regardless of the weather.