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I can see how many would feel that way, especially as it seems to have lost some of its 'edge'. Me? 5-doors, 45mpg, and an option of an auto box whilst retaining a mobile rear end and being playful enough if required...pretty much perfect. I did the same with my 172 Cup...bought it blind...

Seen one in the flesh? I've seen and climbed all over/inside/outside several mk4s in the flesh...not specifically any with RS200T trim or engines though...does that matter? Not actually driven? Again, does that matter? A recent thread on here would suggest that to many (myself included) it...

You found a dealer that could quote? In response to me asking if they could start talking prices and actually take an order mine came back with... LOL Renault through and through.

LOL at financial suicide. Maybe some are comfortable with the depreciation. Maybe some plan on keeping it for a long time so it all balances out in the end. If you buy one planning to sell it on in 12-18 months you'd obviously be a bit of a tool.

It's started ^^^. Haterz gonna like...eventually.

That long? It'll be excaberated by the paddles, no more gangster lean yo as hands will generally need be at 10 to 2 or thereabouts if gearchanges are to happen. My 172 Cup, my 200, both went at quarter to three. Exactly where and only where I put my hands. The 200T's wheel doesn't have a hope...

Not too much I don't think...the 'box model code is 250 something which I think means 250nm is what it's rated up to...and with 240 standard it won't take much tweaking to be beyond that. A couple of reports so far suggest they're somewhere between 210-225 bhp standard so I'll let others play...

Daniel wins. Snapped the little irritating bar steward off no bother. Just need to attack the bolt now...but at least I can get the tyres changed.

I thought that...because best front driver ever? ​197 lap was dry, all others were wet apparently.

FLOL

I saw a new one in flame red parked in the sun at the Renault dealer yesterday. Convinced me it's the right choice...it looked stunning.

Buy me one then if I promise to pay you back?

I tried both, lump hammer and large punch end on, and a thin pin punch trying to turn it. Hadn't thought of cutting a slot and and using an impact driver on it...may try that first before ripping the thing to bits.

Thanks Daniel. There's no non-destructive solution then?

Took the Scenic for new tyres this morning but couldn't get the wheelnut cover off one of the wheels as the bolt has seized. The 'T'piece tool Renault supply would be more effective if it were made from cheese...and so far, no amount of penetrating fluid, taps with a punch, or attempts with the...

Personal Contract Purchase. More commonly known as 'renting'.

Had a brief exploration on Mob of the Dead last night...it's HUGE! Going to take a while getting through it.

Based on the rear seat space of the Mk4 Clio I sat in, yes, quite a bit bigger. Just looked at Fiesta ST prices...factor in the extra Ford charge to get comparable servicing and warranty cover/schedules to Renault with the 4+ they do and there's only £1,500 between them.

At base spec levels it's £2k more than a Fiesta, and £3k less than a Focus. I'd say that puts it more up against the Fiesta especially when you consider the Focus is from a size segment above as well.

I don't think it is. Should it be?

Leave it standard. Change paint to white. £19,995.

Exactly. Despite a number of journos banging them around a track all day recently there's not one criticism of the brakes that I can find.

Diffuser? Looks like a normal bumper to me. Good progress though it's a bit to rube boi for me.

Red, no leather, lux, monitor and camera for me. Can't wait for order books to be open tbh. LOL at the wheels...I think the 17s look alright. Plus, cost of rubber is much cheaper from what I can tell.

Climate Auto lights Auto wipers Folding door mirrors Better sound/media system (voice control, Live TomTom mapping, 4x35w vs 4x20w + you can't have RS Monitor on the lower spec version) Tinted windows Rear electric windows Soft touch dashboard For £1,000 I can't see why you wouldn't go for that.

The new 200T cup racer comes with Brembos...so it's being speculated that the road 'Gordini' version when it comes out will have them (or they'll be an option at least). As for the quicker rack, Jeremy at RUK confirmed that both cup and non-cup have the same rack. It was announced incorrectly...

Thread should be renamed "clio 200 climate control misunderstanding".

You've driven both versions back to back? If not, LOL.

Apple fanboy = malleable in the extreme by Apple's marketeers...i.e. would willingly queue on day of release buzzing with excitement at high-fiving all the sales people and getting their hands on the latest i-whatever. + what Darren S said.

Argh! I wish they'd get their act together.