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Does the ST have bespoke pumped up body panels, or are they the same like all the lowly Eco and diesel versions?

Really? People decide on moving over based on headlight shade? The bluer it is the more likely they move over? ​Wow.

This is what the Gordini will look like when it's finally announced/released in 18 months no doubt.

Or...it's a dual automatic clutched manual with the option of binary controlled automatic shifts. Is this what's actually fitted to the Clio RS? I thought the Clio had one with 250 in its name indicating a max torque figure.

Yep. boring indeed. so obviously boring from a YouTube clip. Black's the colour of choice I think, allows the silver tat to make sense rather than just clashing with everything. http://youtu.be/BlM4DsmRLmA http://youtu.be/Q9fX7dJAAtA

http://youtu.be/tyKO4fm5ImM

Valid points, fun is the word everyone seems to be ignoring here. I think most would agree that the 197 is a more fun drive than a Megane (unless headline power figures make you hard)...but everyone's saying the Megane is the better option. Really? Quite funny really that the new Clio 200T is...

I'll be f***ed if I don't like driving it. It's a Renaultsport. Impressions gained so far say it drives very well and is playful enough when you want it to be. A few criticisms about the gearbox don't concern me, and I'm fine going to two pedals as that means I can work more on left foot...

Black paint, lux pack, monitor, rear camera. May go for heated leather chairs too but undecided on that.

Nice toy Aaron. Been a couple of years since I last saw you...Worthing still working out OK?

I might be ordering one soon. Final sums are in in progress, but it's very very likely to happen.

3 sidewall punctures in one year... I don't like mixing tyres or putting a brand new one on vs 3 that are already worn 50% so they cost me a few £s.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?672086-From-start-to-end-full-year-costs-of-my-200&highlight=full+year+costs

It's there in mine too, allowing for the extra 200kgs my 200 carries compared to my 172 Cup, the 5k 'kick' is just as hard and pronounced. Is one faster than the other in a straight line or round bends? Not really. Not enough that it would make any difference to your progress. The 200 does...

I'm genuinely interested in this. Also, you say no upgrading will be necessary for a long time...how long is long? 2 years? 5? 10?

F***in' excellent comeback. Anything else to add? Current 200 is more macho than its replacement as well I guess? Makes you feel good eh?!

I crawled all over a dci this afternoon, tried the rear seats out for size once I'd got comfortable up front, quite impressed with the space, certainly more than enough for the kids. Boot is noticeably bigger although not by a huge amount. Looks? They had a yellow and a white one in the...

LOL at the criticism of it being just a 'great road car'. Out of idle curiosity...how many times has yours seen a track Chris? In how many miles?

Can you have stop start with a dual-clutch? I thought it was manual only as it was the act of putting the car into neutral that told the engine to shut down.

Whilst I still do it from time to time on the road I've moved on from that. To me the act of driving, the enjoyment of driving, is so much more than just one thing. To say enjoyment can't be had unless you get the opportunity to try and nail the perfectly timed/rev-matched gear change is a bit...

Not interested in seats or brakes, but would be in 'box tweaks. These will hopefully be/should be retrospectively applicable?

When I think back to how my 205bhp/ton 172 Cup got itself down the road, and then think that performance is available quite easily, with all the toys in this 5 door body, I get pretty excited to be honest. The only argument I'm now having with myself is do I buy one now or wait 18-36 months...

Yet you continue to be hung up and vocal on the 5-door thing?

As does the Focus ST already. They must all look sh*t too.

Seriously though...apart from one line and a slightly more cumbersome impractical door, how does that look any different at all?

So how long do we reckon it will be before it's facelifted and tweaked? 18 months?

The tissues are not for crying.

I'm gonna have a box of Kleenex ready tbqfh.

If anyone's interested 'arris 'as a video up tonight apparently.

Is that not because they mostly end up in ditches?