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Go for 205's.

Worst weather for inferno. Will look lush when the sunshine comes. You could do with 2, racing blue for winter, inferno for the summer.

I've seen Dan's car in the flesh, mint example.

True! I always say go and drive them. Whats right for one person isn't for the other. We can give our opinions all day, but until you drive them mate you won't know. Just don't ask a 197 owner, they'll tell you all 1*2's are s**t;)

Each to their own. I feel the 182 is the better handling car, more stable less roll. But the 172cup does feel quicker and lighter. Think no-one mentioned it as he didn't specifically ask about the cup.

Had 2 172's, 1 182. 182 has the better handling out of the box and looks better. Speed, nothing in it, my 1st 172 (mk2) was slightly quicker than my 182. I'd go for a 182, prices for cars with 40-50k miles aren't masssively different, and you can't get 172's in racing blue.

Speed doesn't = fun

On mine it meant the battery was running low. New battery sorted it out.

Post office, if they can't help (normally ok unless the car has had recent plate change) local dvla office.

Racing blue, by a country mile. And then some. How many cars do you see on the road similar to Arctic? Dozens every journey.

If your going carbon fibre, I'll give you £80 for your current splitter.

*cough* monaco *cough*

In it's natural habitat.

I think Paul has grappled the CS picture ho trophy from Christophers grasp.

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/print?board.id=swupdate&message.id=31033&page=1&format=page How to get the update done with Vista. Just did mine, but not V20, V15 from Nokia.

Or a push bike.

We're all just wannabe CTR owner's anyway.

:o:o Oooops. Apologies.

Typical balanced point of view. I'm pretty sure even the biggest fans (Autocar) have said it's unfair to compare the 197 to the Trophy, due to the development and special suspension on the Trophy. Nice informed, non-biased opinion there mate. The 197 may not be objectively slow, but even the...

Wasn't aimed at you bud, 'some' peops. You forgot "this (VXR) feels much quicker in a straight line". At the end of the day the VXR is quicker in the straight's, the clio is quicker through the corners. The 197 seems to be turning into a bit of a focus rs, in that the only 2 magazine's that I...

Very nice! Love the blacked out grille, there's a de-chromed all black RS4 near me, looks amazing.

I just don't get why some 197 owners are so defensive? The negative points of the 197 (and every car has it's negatives) are what put me off it. Never disputed the handling and braking abilities, but the straight line shove should be better and the steering could be more feelsome (but TBF most...

It may be a Rover, but cracking cars. Tenacious front end, better steering feel, more planted rear end (which makes it less fun IMO). Shame they have such a retarded image, and the nastiest cabin. Bargain fun though.

"quite good, but should be better"

Tut tut, selective hearing?? "not that quick in a straight line" was also a noticeable comment.

Isn't v20 for the N95? I understood that the N95 and N95 8gb run different software.

Front wheel looks lost in the arch.

Had sportlines on my 182, no way will it go that low.

Guy was stepping it, pulling away from me at 1.15 leptons.

No, some guy driving it.