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The initial post wasn't very helpful. Toby was looking for something that would remove tree sap from already protected paint, hence looking at shampoos and Rapid Dirt Shifter/Citrus Power, i.e. wax friendly products.

Ah I see. It's gone back up to £6.99 now chap, but would you check for me if it's not too much fuss? I'll be up North in a few weeks so if they do have it, I'll price match at the local Halfords.

No it's not, it's a pH neutral wheel cleaner, but doesn't react. I'm still working on this. Out of interest, is somewhere still selling this cheap, or are you just looking to get rid chap?

Flol. Just seen this, you utter 'tard.

Got home at 6am. No way was I going to text anything else lol.

Kev is the one in the know on this RyG. Follow his advice IMO.

BS. I've got 5 months on my lower panels. Still beads and sheets, washed once a month max. I'll reply to your text now I can see again ;)

I think it would be unfair to comment on your experience, as there are always two sides to every story. James@AF would be mortified to hear this however as by all accounts their customer service is good. Regarding wax over a nano sealant, there are reasons to and reasons not to. Look at new...

Carbon.

The washing substance is not the issue. This has come up a few times and I think it's down to something that Toby posted. Even if it wasn't, I blame him... The issue is, don't use softener as this ruins the cloths. As does machine drying.

Ultrafina being a 3M product. 203 and 106 being Menzerna. Kevin, I swear your posts are made when you have your eye on something else as well, lol! Read through boi, c'est trop ambigu!

I haven't used the AF stuff, so can't comment. 3M however are very easy to use and as said above, colour coded with the pads, so that's where my money would be going.

The Big Shiner. They're a lesser known version of AS. Basic stuff, but I'm willing to bet pretty good - they just need someone in the detailing world to take a punt and test them.

I'd look elsewhere. Unlikely that the etching will be removed by polishing.

Menz... 203s was developed for VAG paints.

Menz or 3M range have been my go to. However, I've heard a lot of good things about the Scholl products, especially S17.

On DW, yes. I wouldn't advise it, as I don't want that hanging over me should something go wrong. But I would on my own car TBH.

Ah ha, now I follow!

You need to top off Blackhole with a sealant or wax, yes. Otherwise all of the fillers will just wash away. The Natty's Blue is a very good wax. Cheap but punches well above its weight.

Seems a little strange when you can get decent chemical resistant ones for £5 from B&Q...!!

Yeah it still works well at 1:1 with water. But the main issue is the spray head supplied with the bottle. Best to empty a bottle out into a pump sprayer with a finer spray head, then top up with water.

Nothing specific, it was enquired about a few weeks ago. Only thing we can suggest is i4d 5-7.5% discount for CS users and free postage offers from PolishedBliss.

Clean CD with no marks on the underside. Wipe the MF across the CD with as much force as you would use to remove wax/polish/using a QD spray. If it marks the CD finish, it will mark your paint, thus is no good. If not, it's paint "safe".

Recently? If so, I'm not up to date. I'm talking two years ago, so probably not clever to brand them all the same...

The very same. IIRC they don't pass the CD test, but for gen purp they're good value. Aye, again, don't pass the CD test but worth the cost for some cheap dirty work ones. YB; my Halfords trick still works with the Demon Shine Rapid Dirt Shifter...! £2.25 heeyoooooo.

Could you elaborate? Brilliant in what way, price? Cheers.

CD test pass = cheap MFs. CD test fail = cheap MFs for tyres/interior/glass/engine/arches... Win, win.

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Ho, It's off to work you go, To sort me out, A bulk discount, Hi ho, hi ho hi ho hi hoooooo.

No worries buddy. To follow on from the above - test below is straight out of the bottle; The reaction that then takes place creates a substance that is not pH neutral, but it's contained in the liquid and therefore is perfectly safe. There is a massive post by someone on DW who has even...