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Err an Audi RS4 is far from a hot hatch, lol:confused: 1. Williams 2. VTS/106 GTI 3. Golf MK1 GTI 4. 205 1.9 GTI 5. Pulsar GTIR - LUSH!

PurpleSun I have driven a 172 CUP and was impressed although I still havnt driven a Williams:( I have considered going Jap along the lines of a Pulsar GTIR and to be honest right now its a throw up between a VTS (I have seen a really nice example) a Williams and a GTIR... Have any of you guys...

Good discussion going here guys!

Try http://www.williamsclio.co.ukwww.williamsclio.co.uk mate:)

:D lol^^^

I know mate, the stats dont take into account driver ability, passengers, amount of petrol, road/weather conditions etc not to mention whether or not a car is modded or not!

Nice!

2 live- lol I like your style- 150 my god thats quick! By how much can you beat 172s by?

Martin- yikes! Thats impresive stuff mate Leigh- I know what you mean the CUP I drove did feel a bit like it wasnt me driving it, still a cracking car tho! How much would it cost to get a Willy upto 172/182 pace and if it was possible would it still remain reliable? 007- 164bhp standard...

:o Blimey! By the way Martin I like your avatar- I take it from your sig you have a Williams. Was that on your Willy?

Leigh from your experience of owning both which would you say is faster to 60 and 100? I know the stats point to the 182 but I know how very few Williams actually produce standard power, usually having more. Im not really in a position to buy at the moment cos I havent sold my car but would...

How bout the corners tho as they are renowned for being one of the best handling cars there are! And the Williams is arguably the best hot hatch so it would be interesting to know which would come out on top...

Do you reckon a Williams would stay with a Scooby in the twisties?

^^^:o I want one sooo bad!

Sound advice guys! BigBoreBri- they can hit the limiter in 5th:o! My VTR has never hit the limiter and believe me it visits it rather often, lol;) Yeah ideally Id like a 1 cos they have the gold plaque but Im not going to be fussy if a really good example comes up.

Too right a 14.8 aint exactly shabby! If ever Im down in Dorset Ill let you know- we can go 172 baiting;) Thanks for your advice

Interesting, Ill give it a go...

Im from West Sussex between Kent and Hampshire mate. I know what you mean about the seat, even on its lowest setting I was quite high and it felt like I was sitting facing more to the right than the left, maybe Im just weird:confused: Thats what I want, a proper old school hot hatch that was...

You guys have convinced me now to get a Williams- its the stories of it staying level with 172s that won me over cos when I test drove the Cup, my god it felt fast and if I can get a more exclusive car that looks better and costs half the price Im all for it:D Thanks guys- how much should I...

Is the power delivery smooth or does it have a kick? What sort of speeds have you been to against a 172 and how much of a difference actually was there? Have you ever actually beaten a 172? Have you encountered any VTSs or GTIs and what was the outcome? Are parts easy to get hold of and is...

There is a nice one on autotrader at the moment, Williams 1, 40K, standard fro £5495. Seems like a good price to me, is it?

Thanks for the advice mate, I have to say I was expecting, having posted on a Clio forum to be told that the VTS/GTI wouldnt stand a chance against the 172 or Williams! I wasnt expecting someone to say that theyd rather a decent Williams over a 172 and that the Williams has more torque:o...

Hello guys Im new and was looking for some advice on the Clio Williams. I have a VTR (as the name suggets!) at the moment and was looking for something with a bit more grunt! I have test driven: A 172 Cup- which I was very impressed with, amazing torque low down and another kick at 5K revs...