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Agreed - the diminishing return on investment equation thingy... Tks.:)

I've read in the RS news mag that the RS Clio 197 Cup has been tweeked to put out 205 bhp... Does anyone know what RS have done to get that increase - one would think it would not be hard to do on a street 197. Comments Dudes...:)

Beauty is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder... As for me, the 197 is a much more attractive image than the 182... The 182 has a cute face and butt, but the side profile is one that only a mother could love (looks a bit like a shopping trolley from side on - opps, no offence intended)... Viva...

Sorry Dude - don't shoot the messenger - I'm only quoting an account from a 197 reviewer from Times... maybe he should have wrote that the 197 is slower and as useless as a 1948 VW... Happy with that? If you don't agree, then that's an emotive response (I think)... Cars are sooo emotional...

Congratulation on a fair and honest account of your experience with the 197 at Brands... lucky Dude...:D I'm in Australia (Oz for short) and waiting patiently for the 197 to be released here - no orders being taken just yet... I was going to hold out for a Golf GTi, but now I'm totally...

It's been a hoot... luv debating about absolutely nuttin'... great past time... BTY - you're kids will be driving electric cars when they are our age, and then we'll be chatting about how many Everyready's this car has over than one.... or will it be a Everyready vs. Duracel...

I agree with all you've said... the word bespoke it being abused a bit these days... In the 70's it was the Golf GTi In the 80's it was the Pug 205 GTi In the 90's it was the Clio Williams In the 00's it'll be the Clio 197 and its future siblings... (just wait - my spy tells me that the RS...

I luv the concept... you could even charge people a cupla quid just to see it! :clown:

My mate had a 182 and gave it to me for a month when he went overseas... Mind you, I love it (except its side profile), but the advances with the 197 sadly pales the 182 to the back lot... If PORSCHE was to build a hot hatch it would be a 197 (quote from Evo Mag) Biased? - a bit cruel -...

Slower buy .5 second.... hmmmm... depends on how you launch the babe (and it means nuttin' when you're parked on the M1 orbital!) Not sure what the smoke is all about... the 197 is light years ahead of the 182 in every aspect - safety especially - it's amazing how many of us will risk our...

Racing stripes went out in the early 70's... don't bring 'em back...

Hi Dudes, Don't get upset about progress.. The RS197 is hot and real hot to boot - if Porsche was to build a hot-hatch - it would be the 197, not the 182... The 182 is too small and ugly (got a side profile that only a mother could love)... Bring on my 197 - the future is here...