All those that doubt ESP

[realnumber 1]

All those that doubt ESP.... watch it all.

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Mods if it's in the wrong section feel free to move it!

 

[daviebroon]

Just watched it. he can't drive for a start. Not a good basis for any arguement. The points where he was trying to show how badly it handles without the drivers aids.. he was taking the piss/going to the extreme/driving like a r****d

 

[realnumber 1]

It might be exaggerated it a bit but Lol if you think you can handle that left right left right on ice better than with it on.

 

[Munson]

Good vid, I'm going to find an iced over road and drive down it at 70mph swerving around. BRB...

 

[W17GLE]

Good vid, I'm going to find an iced over road and drive down it at 70mph swerving around. BRB...

did you survive? lol

 

[Paul RN]

Interesting that!

 

[Alex H]

Just watched it. he can't drive for a start. Not a good basis for any arguement. The points where he was trying to show how badly it handles without the drivers aids.. he was taking the piss/going to the extreme/driving like a r****d

No I totally agree with you, an ex-F1, BTCC, Le Mans driver can't drive can he? :S

 

[Shorty_Irl]

Very good vid. But sure theres always gonna be people that say thats pish, I dont need a computer to drive my car for me. Ive been in a slide like that and TRUST me, there is NOTHING the driver can do except let it happen. Thankfully I was only doing 25mph and I didnt hit anything, but if Id had ESP it wouldnt have been anywhere near as scary.

Sure, the video might over exaggerate things but the point is clear. ESP is a good thing.

 

[R20 CWH]

good in some ways, but pisch in other - ie track

 

[rory182]

70mph on sheet ice aint very realistic but is a worst case I suppose. I feel safer in a car with 1*2 pace with some driver aids. Avoided a sheep at about 80mph once and I don't think it was driver skill!

 

[JON13S]

Good vid, I'm going to find an iced over road and drive down it at 70mph swerving around. BRB...

just tried that myself.... oh my god he's right i was talking kack all along... i may remove the button from my dashboard and solder the wires permanently as it couldn't of possibly helped me get up the hill home by turning it off the last couple of days...

 

[realnumber 1]

just tried that myself.... oh my god he's right i was talking kack all along... i may remove the button from my dashboard and solder the wires permanently as it couldn't of possibly helped me get up the hill home by turning it off the last couple of days...

f**k me, I wish I could drive as well as you
The video clearly shows that esp/abs/tc isn't the hindrance that some people make it out to be in the snow and ice. In fact far from it.

 

[Inferno]

I'm sure ESP is being constantly developed, there must be newer versions being developed all the time by Bosch and others. In my experience on the 182 the ESP hinders progress on ice and snow, but I'm sure that could be a different matter in newer or other cars.

 

[realnumber 1]

Isn't it Bosch that do the ESP in the Clio (they did on the megane)? In which case it could well be the same programe or similar to the one used on that Jag in the vid because its about the same age.

 

[@Spoonie]

ESP is great! Its allowed me to drive flat out all week whileother drivers have had to crawl along..

I found the flashing light is a bit annoying though when overtaking. Does anyone know how to remove it?

 

[Inferno]

Isn't it Bosch that do the ESP in the Clio (they did on the megane)? In which case it could well be the same programe or similar to the one used on that Jag in the vid because its about the same age.

I believe it is Bosch that manufacture the ESP in the Clios. But I will correct something from my last post - It's not ESP that hinders progress in the ice/snow, it's the traction control.

The thing about the video posted with the Jag going up the slope though, is that if the car is capable of getting up the slope with traction control off. Electronic systems can't defy the laws of physics. If Tiff had taken a softer approach with the system off, he would have still got up.

My guess at why the 1*2's are so poor in these conditions would be tyre choice.

 

[realnumber 1]

They can't defy the laws of physics but it has infinitely better control of the individual wheels than just using your throttle. I don't believe he could get up that slope without it myself and he did say he tried every way possible.

 

[jayxx83]

iirc the esp system was tuned for the 182's handling limits. i know there are also some manufactures that just slap on a preprogrammed esp system to some cars which are over intrusive.

i found on the 182 that the esp rarely cut in, even if you were going balls out.

 

[john lloyd]

on roads i have it on, have found it kicks in a little on long sweeping bends when the car is not approaching its limits. have turn it off for track days though, it is way to intrusive and linked to the t/c which i dont want on.

 

[Ian_182]

Your better off with it imho.

 

[Fred@BTM]

as i still say ESP has a MAJOR fault on the clios, and that is if you lift the inside rear wheel the ESP will s**t itself and try and kill you