Best place to shift a 2003 enterprise coa sticker/media

[cleo]

Hi , I have come into possion of a 2003 enterprise server coa and media (The oem thing not tied to a manafacture but it legally meant to be sold already pre-installed and from DABs comes in at around £1700) Any idea where I can get rid of this? Tried to list it on E-bay but they told me OEM software is agenst the T&C.

Thanks techies

 

[dk]

you can't legally sell it, a COA means nothing really though.

some dodgy person will probably buy it off you though even though its worth nothing as its not legal.

 

[cleo]

Okay, what makes the one from say DAB's legal though? and not mine both exact same products, all issues I can see is a IT Dept not getting a proper invoice from me.

 

[dk]

dabs can't legally sell it either without it being installed on the server before it leaves them and they are also then bound to supporting the OS on behalf of MS.

Its a very grey subject and something people always confuse and MS are doing all they can to prevent OEM from being sold incorrectly, they have done this with Office now by making the manufacturers install a 60 day trial version with every pc and then they can sell a key that unlocks the version they buy if the user wants it.

So now no media gets shipped out for office.

You will find someone who doesn't care and will buy it off you but as selling an OEM it needs to be installed on the server its sold with and supported by yourself as i mentioned.

If it was as easy at having the OEM sticker people would peel the stickers off their pc's at work and sell them etc.

 

[cleo]

dabs can't legally sell it either without it being installed on the server before it leaves them and they are also then bound to supporting the OS on behalf of MS.

Its a very grey subject and something people always confuse and MS are doing all they can to prevent OEM from being sold incorrectly, they have done this with Office now by making the manufacturers install a 60 day trial version with every pc and then they can sell a key that unlocks the version they buy if the user wants it.

So now no media gets shipped out for office.

You will find someone who doesn't care and will buy it off you but as selling an OEM it needs to be installed on the server its sold with and supported by yourself as i mentioned.

If it was as easy at having the OEM sticker people would peel the stickers off their pc's at work and sell them etc.

Thanks DK sounds like your clued up on this... I'll see what I can do with it but watch who I try to sell too, be a shame to throw it away..

 

[dk]

good luck

 

[Daz]

they have done this with Office now by making the manufacturers install a 60 day trial version with every pc and then they can sell a key that unlocks the version they buy if the user wants it.

I'm sure only HP do that dirty trick.

There was a bug with the original 2007 uninstaller.. in that it didn't remove all files. If you were using Office 2003 VLK for example at work, you had to uninstall the 2007 trial, and install 2003 (obviously).. but it caused crap with the files it left behind!

One major problem was Outlook 2003 failed miserably.. wouldn't connect to any Exchange server without deleting some files manually..


Annoying as hell. Took ages to find the problem and get round it..

 

[dk]

they have done this with Office now by making the manufacturers install a 60 day trial version with every pc and then they can sell a key that unlocks the version they buy if the user wants it.

I'm sure only HP do that dirty trick.

There was a bug with the original 2007 uninstaller.. in that it didn't remove all files. If you were using Office 2003 VLK for example at work, you had to uninstall the 2007 trial, and install 2003 (obviously).. but it caused crap with the files it left behind!

One major problem was Outlook 2003 failed miserably.. wouldn't connect to any Exchange server without deleting some files manually..


Annoying as hell. Took ages to find the problem and get round it..

AFAIK most manufacturers are now doing it, i'm sure i read ibm were too.

Its no dirty trick LOL, its the only way to provide OEM legally these days unless you are dell and sell the license with the machine as its built to order.

What confuses me is that machines that come with office 2007 trial on also have SQL 2005 components installed and i'm not sure what for, HP can't even tell me, must be something to do with one of the components of office, did a search and there was something about data mining in excel which is random.

 

[Daz]

I'm sure only HP do that dirty trick.

There was a bug with the original 2007 uninstaller.. in that it didn't remove all files. If you were using Office 2003 VLK for example at work, you had to uninstall the 2007 trial, and install 2003 (obviously).. but it caused crap with the files it left behind!

One major problem was Outlook 2003 failed miserably.. wouldn't connect to any Exchange server without deleting some files manually..


Annoying as hell. Took ages to find the problem and get round it..

AFAIK most manufacturers are now doing it, i'm sure i read ibm were too.

Its no dirty trick LOL, its the only way to provide OEM legally these days unless you are dell and sell the license with the machine as its built to order.

What confuses me is that machines that come with office 2007 trial on also have SQL 2005 components installed and i'm not sure what for, HP can't even tell me, must be something to do with one of the components of office, did a search and there was something about data mining in excel which is random.

I buy OEM all the time to install myself on new PCs.. there has to be some "common sense" else it could never be sold by anyone but the original manufacturer of the PC.. which is nonsense, as it also applies to system builders/IT service suppliers.

 

[Rasclart]

I havent really looked into licensing with Servers as usually we buy in a server and a OEM copy of Server and thats it.

However if I remember rightly OEM products can only be sold with a piece of hardware, i.e from the likes of Aria if you ordered a copy of XP Pro and a Hard drive that was ok. But not XP OEM on its own. Has this changed?

 

[Daz]

I havent really looked into licensing with Servers as usually we buy in a server and a OEM copy of Server and thats it.

However if I remember rightly OEM products can only be sold with a piece of hardware, i.e from the likes of Aria if you ordered a copy of XP Pro and a Hard drive that was ok. But not XP OEM on its own. Has this changed?

Yea.. it can only be installed/distributed on a fully assembled PC pretty much now (on Vista OEM definetly).

Although, resellers still sell us OEM licenses on their own - they don't come with media any more, we had to buy a media pack seperately! We obviously install it on a new PC and send it out..

 

[Rasclart]

Hmmmm thats odd.

We buy our copys of Vista from Realtime Distribution, they are OEM with media. All sealed no seperate media kit! Dont use it all that often. Still mainly putting XP pro on business machines.

 

[dk]

Hmmmm thats odd.

We buy our copys of Vista from Realtime Distribution, they are OEM with media. All sealed no seperate media kit! Dont use it all that often. Still mainly putting XP pro on business machines.

you aren't buying it legally then i'm afraid (well they are not selling it legally to you anyway), but chances of being caught, you or them...........

 

[McBunny]

its not illegal in any way shape or form its just against the t&c of ms to do so. basically you have to be a registered system builder these days

it used to be you could just buy a bit of hardware and get away with it.

we were in the same situation as you. we were been sold oem and MS didnt like it they said there wasn't a lot they could do but they would like it if we stopped. we did now we have a select agreement

 

[dk]

in the police sense it is not illegal but in the software licensing sense it is, as its against the licensing agreement put in place when the license is sold so its not valid.

You can be audited and fined for this, which is what i meant by illegal.

 

[Cookie]

Just remember, its the head of the company that FACT come after, so unless you're the head you have nothing to worry about

 

[dk]

Just remember, its the head of the company that FACT come after, so unless you're the head you have nothing to worry about

they coming around to watch a film?

FAST mate

Oh and they aren't even a legal body, they are just out to make money out of you buy selling you software asset management, but get you by saying they are auditing you for licensing breach etc.

Can't remember the other body, but they are the official one.

 

[Rasclart]

Hmmmm thats odd.

We buy our copys of Vista from Realtime Distribution, they are OEM with media. All sealed no seperate media kit! Dont use it all that often. Still mainly putting XP pro on business machines.

you aren't buying it legally then i'm afraid (well they are not selling it legally to you anyway), but chances of being caught, you or them...........

I am lost? We are a system builder so how are we/them doing so illegaly?

 

[McBunny]

are you registered as a system builder with ms ?

 

[Rasclart]

Yes but our supplier who is one of the largest in the UK have not checked this. I assume this is not up to them?

 

[McBunny]

who is your supplier ?

 

[Rasclart]

As I said above Realtime Distribution or Micro-P

 

[McBunny]

these are the big boys who know what they are doing (usually) we are with bytes but they are a shower of s**t !!

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/licensing/morethan250/find-a-partner.mspx

 

[Rasclart]

Makes no odds to me to be honest mate. They supply us with software, we are entitled to purchase the said software.

 

[dk]

Makes no odds to me to be honest mate. They supply us with software, we are entitled to purchase the said software.

if you are a system builder then you won't be just buying it loose from distribution though, the likes of HP etc. don't buy oem licenses like that (admittedly they are on a larger scale) but the software HAS to be purchased from the reseller or distributor or manufacturer installed on a fully assembled PC and the support is then provided by that company that sold it to the end user with it installed.

As a system builder you then do this but you have to be registered and then you procure the software down the appropriate route, i'm not sure what that particular route is but if you came to use and asked us for an OEM license of Vista, we would not sell that to you without it coming on a pc.

We are currently the UK's no.1 MS open license house so not tin pot but we are also a very big software asset management provider and work on behalf of MS to audit customers etc.

 

[dk]

these are the big boys who know what they are doing (usually) we are with bytes but they are a shower of s**t !!

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/licensing/morethan250/find-a-partner.mspx

yey, we are on that list, looks like a list of LAR's to me, Bytes, we are not fans, a few of our staff have moved there and not played by the book shall we say!

I'm not licensing expert any more, I have my MLSE (MS licensing Sales expert) but really don't dabble any more but our licensing guys are first class, there are no better in the industry, hence why we are number 1 about 7 years in a row now.