Best suspension to run slicks on ?

[Ben NBR Cup]

Hi all,
Bit of advice really i am looking at changing my suspension again from the b14 to something harder and more adjustable (damper and rebound) but i am toying with the idea of putting slicks on it as well so instead of me keep changing the suspension just put the ones that will work with slick on straight away. It will be going onto a clio 182.
As well where would people recommend getting the slicks from and which brand to go for ? I am guessing everyone runs the 15inch on the car rather than the 16"s ?

Many Thanks
Ben

 

[-D4N-]

AST 5100's

Enough said

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

AST 5100's

Enough said

Thank you very much, is it the one way system or the 3 way ?
There are no other ones you would recommend ?

Many Thanks
Ben

 

[olly-r]

depends how much money u wanna spend , i use them K Tec 182 750 club spec spax coil over, super stiff if you want it, no rear roll bar required, and i use 205/50 r15 dunlops direzza h on front and toyo 888 on rear

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

depends how much money u wanna spend , i use them K Tec 182 750 club spec spax coil over, super stiff if you want it, no rear roll bar required, and i use 205/50 r15 dunlops direzza h on front and toyo 888 on rear

I don't want to spend silly silly money but at the same time if i did go to slicks i don't want to change them again if you know what i mean ?
Will that suspension you are using be ok with slicks ?
Also what adjustment do you have on them can you adjust rebound and stuff ?

Many Thanks
Ben

 

[bozothenutter]

Won't running slicks mean beefinf the rest up aswell...ie suspensionarms?

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Won't running slicks mean beefinf the rest up aswell...ie suspensionarms?

To be honest i am not sure ?
Are there many 182s running slicks ?

 

[Carbonraider]

Won't running slicks mean beefinf the rest up aswell...ie suspensionarms?

Nope.. You can probably get away with running standard bushes although how long they will last is another matter.. Just look at the cup racers

 

[Carbonraider]

To be honest any high end coilover will do the trick (ast5100/4100, kW v3, gaz golds, avo's)

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

To be honest any high end coilover will do the trick (ast5100/4100, kW v3, gaz golds, avo's)

Thank you very much I will have a little look into them see which ones to go for

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

What are these k-tec spax suspension like are they good ? I called k-tec today and they were saying one of the best on the market (I know they are trying to sell them) but good starting point or are these ast a million miles better ?

 

[-D4N-]

I had the spax system on mine before I bought my AST's

They were terrible, too soft for track they ended up breaking where the strut connected to the top mount.

Buy cheap buy twice.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I had the spax system on mine before I bought my AST's

They were terrible, too soft for track they ended up breaking where the strut connected to the top mount.

Buy cheap buy twice.

Really thats not good
When you bought your ASTs did you buy them with the top mounts or do you run standard or solid top mounts ?
Also did you buy them direct from ASTs or is there a supplier that you can get them from ?

Cheers

 

[Martin.]

What are these k-tec spax suspension like are they good ? I called k-tec today and they were saying one of the best on the market (I know they are trying to sell them) but good starting point or are these ast a million miles better ?

From what I've heard and seen they are DOG s**t.

I've got ASTs and they are simply awesome.

@Kelv can get you a good discounted price on GAZ's, which I've heard are also very good, you can spec what you like.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

From what I've heard and seen they are DOG s**t.

I've got ASTs and they are simply awesome.

@Kelv can get you a good discounted price on GAZ's, which I've heard are also very good, you can spec what you like.

Well thats that then i am going to stop looking at them haha i don't want to change them again i have made that mistake once haha
i am coming around to the idea of having the ASTs would you have the top mount they sell or just buy solid ones ? because the top mounts they sell are £300 :0

 

[-D4N-]

@Ben NBR Cup

I bought my AST's direct from Curtis at AST and I matched them with a brand new set of pure motorsport solid top mounts.

Unfortunately my car is now for sale and I may be stripping it soon so all parts will be for sale

Daniel

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

@Ben NBR Cup

I bought my AST's direct from Curtis at AST and I matched them with a brand new set of pure motorsport solid top mounts.

Unfortunately my car is now for sale and I may be stripping it soon so all parts will be for sale

Daniel

Right ok that is good because i didn't really want to pay £300 for the top mounts. Did you just buy the ASTs 5100 1 way with no upgrades ? Cheeky question did he manage to give you any discount on them lol ?
Thats not good are you changing it for a new project ? I will keep an eye out if you do strip it

Ben

 

[Martin.]

I bought 5100s with 85nm ish spring rates.

They are paired with the Pure Motorsport solid top mount and strut brace kit. Works great!

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I bought 5100s with 85nm ish spring rates.

They are paired with the Pure Motorsport solid top mount and strut brace kit. Works great!

Beautiful you lot have made my day haha. I am happy to pay for the suspension at the price it is on the internet but i really didn't want to buy there top mounts purely for the fact its silly money for top mounts.
Ben

 

[Jamie86]

As said either speak to Curtis or Josh at Cooksport (will be able to help you out with spring rates etc as well) or I know @Cub. managed to get a some good service via another place for AST's

As said just do a search on here about the Spax and you will see a few very early failures which wouldn't inspire me with confidence especially on slicks!

 

[Cub.]

Have you got a cage (a proper one, not a show one)? I wouldn't run slicks without one personally.

I'm running ASTs with custom spring rates, and various other bits and considering slicks next year. Bought mine from J-tech automotive, excellent service.

I'd also look to do a full suspension refresh and make sure the car is as "tight" in terms of its suspension as possible. Slicks can add up to 30 per cent more grip, and will push the standard components to the limit at times. Any weakness, and it will come to light quickly.

They also need close tyre management on track and for the first few laps you'll be the slowest thing out there as you put heat into them.

It is a lot of money to throw at a car to run slicks, I'd probably go with Direzzas DZ03g and save the cash....

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

As said either speak to Curtis or Josh at Cooksport (will be able to help you out with spring rates etc as well) or I know @Cub. managed to get a some good service via another place for AST's :smile:

As said just do a search on here about the Spax and you will see a few very early failures which wouldn't inspire me with confidence especially on slicks!

Thank you very much I will give them a call see what they recommend

 

[Budgie]

If you can't have enough fun on 888's or Direzzas then i don't know what you will TBH.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Have you got a cage (a proper one, not a show one)? I wouldn't run slicks without one personally.

I'm running ASTs with custom spring rates, and various other bits and considering slicks next year. Bought mine from J-tech automotive, excellent service.

I'd also look to do a full suspension refresh and make sure the car is as "tight" in terms of its suspension as possible. Slicks can add up to 30 per cent more grip, and will push the standard components to the limit at times. Any weakness, and it will come to light quickly.

They also need close tyre management on track and for the first few laps you'll be the slowest thing out there as you put heat into them.

It is a lot of money to throw at a car to run slicks, I'd probably go with Direzzas DZ03g and save the cash....

Thank you very much for the advice
I am going to be running the safety devices 9 point full roll cage with door bars
I am going to do a full suspension refresh over the winter. To be honest slicks are not a 100% it's just getting the suspension that could run them if later on I want to.
Just changing the conversation, between the R888s and the Direzzas which one is better ?

Thank you for the advice it's brilliant it's really helping me out thank you

Thank you again
Ben

 

[Cub.]

I feel the Direzzas are better. Seem to last longer for me too.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I feel the Direzzas are better. Seem to last longer for me too.

What I was finding was when the toyos get really hot after a few laps I was loosing a lot of grip do the Direzzas work at hot temp ?

 

[Cub.]

What I was finding was when the toyos get really hot after a few laps I was loosing a lot of grip do the Direzzas work at hot temp ?

Yep. Although any tyre put through significant heat cycles will go off quickly. The Direzzas were as grippy for me after 15 minutes of use (the end of each session) at Goodwood at the weekend, as they were in the first minute of those sessions. I did start them very low pressure though, and have set the car up to maximise even wear across the tyre.

Most of the racers on here now use them as their tyre of choice in dry conditions.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Yes we do.:blush:

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Yep. Although any tyre put through significant heat cycles will go off quickly. The Direzzas were as grippy for me after 15 minutes of use (the end of each session) at Goodwood at the weekend, as they were in the first minute of those sessions. I did start them very low pressure though, and have set the car up to maximise even wear across the tyre.

Most of the racers on here now use them as their tyre of choice in dry conditions.

That's understandable I might give them a go see how I get on with them